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Re: Etica o non etica...
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Iceman ecc
Va bene... Spero che ci siamo, vicendevolemnte chiariti .... sulla maggior parte dei punti.
Io ho semplicemente sostenuto che alcune delle osservazioni (come quella delle mancanze di "scarichi" visibili dei razzi... gas incandescente) non sono palesi fesserie tanto evidenti, nè così semplici da spiegare come all'inizio, quel che hai scritto lasciava pensare (parlando di "scuola elementare" e "folle chi ci crede.." )

(- Sei libero, poi, di dare giudizi su chi vuoi tu, ma ciò non è discutere sull'argomento... citando la sezione del sito volevo mettere in evidenza questo fatto. Uno stupido ignorante può dire una grande verità, un genio può sbagliarsi anche in buona fede -)

Questioni, quindi che non sono poi tanto ovvie, tant'è vero che il discorso delle fiamme mi sembra ancora poco chiaro, e, propriamente non hai risposta alla mia domanda:
Nella "fiamma" che si vede con COSA brucia l'ossigeno?

Secondo me, (ipotizzo) più che altro il chiarore è dovuto al calore del gas stesso, non ad una combustione "esterna"... e quindi, come tale non credo c'entri nulla con la presenza di ossigeno nell'atmosfera.
.. quindi penso che su questo punto ti sbagli... (Di certo non metto in dubbio le tue facoltà per questo .... consentimi la battutaccia..)
senza che ciò implichi necessariamente che TUTTO il tuo discorso sia sbaglaito.

Drive, per puntualizzare:
il "non mi pare folle aspettarsi che ... " era proprio da intendersi "alla lettera" con riferimento alle espressioni usate da Iceman...
non voleva dire "allora dobbiamo ritenere che..."

Che la scia come quella della foto si possa vedere solo in presenza di atmosfera non è in discussione...
(Non volevo neppur minimamente intendere qualcosa del genere)

Ma, d'altra parte, da questa considerazione non possiamo dedurre che nel vuoto nessuno scarico di razzo risulta visibile...

Dopotutto, atmosfera o non atmosfera, il razzo espelle gas ad alta temperatura (Quanto? Boh!?) in quanto tempo si raffreddano? (Boh?) Il chiarore della scia è dovuto a "fiamme" che bruciano l'ossigeno dell'atmosfera? Non mi pare...
Infatti la "fiammata" si vede anche nella partenza del LEM. Solo per un breve tempo.

Drive, (e Iceman) riguardo al tutto il tuo discorso sullo sgancio ecc, penso che sei in errore.. non hai considerato che in quei punti lì non c'è il vuoto.. c'è lo scarico del razzo stesso...
(Credo (?) l' "anello" si "infiamma", si surriscalda perché ad un certo punto si ritrova in mezzo ad un flusso di gas roventi.... non si trova nel vuoto, quindi...
Gas roventi, che quindi, dovrebbero essere luminosi che ci sia atmosfera o meno.) (?)
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.... ....io non mi definisco affatto volentieri ateo, non più di quanto io sia a-MickeyMouse.
..
(detto, fatto)
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     Re: Altri argomenti di tipo scientifico, storico, ecc. hariseldon 17/9/2005 10:32
       Re: Altri argomenti di tipo scientifico, storico, ecc. Redazione 17/9/2005 12:29
         Re: Altri argomenti di tipo scientifico, storico, ecc. hariseldon 17/9/2005 12:44
           Re: Altri argomenti di tipo scientifico, storico, ecc. soleluna 17/9/2005 13:09
             Re: Altri argomenti di tipo scientifico, storico, ecc. razor 17/9/2005 17:30
               Re: Altri argomenti di tipo scientifico, storico, ecc. Gianlvca 15/11/2005 0:24
         Re: Altri argomenti di tipo scientifico, storico, ecc. Iceman 2/3/2006 19:47
           Re: Altri argomenti di tipo scientifico, storico, ecc. Iceman 6/3/2006 14:00
             Re: Altri argomenti di tipo scientifico, storico, ecc. Iceman 6/3/2006 14:03
               Re: Altri argomenti di tipo scientifico, storico, ecc. Iceman 6/3/2006 14:07
                 Re: Altri argomenti di tipo scientifico, storico, ecc. franco8 6/3/2006 14:49
                   Re: Altri argomenti di tipo scientifico, storico, ecc. gobbo 6/3/2006 16:23
                   Re: Altri argomenti di tipo scientifico, storico, ecc. Iceman 6/3/2006 18:26
                     Re: Altri argomenti di tipo scientifico, storico, ecc. Kolza 6/3/2006 19:15
                       Re: Altri argomenti di tipo scientifico, storico, ecc. Iceman 6/3/2006 19:46
                         Re: Altri argomenti di tipo scientifico, storico, ecc. Ettore 6/3/2006 20:57
                           Re: Altri argomenti di tipo scientifico, storico, ecc. Iceman 7/3/2006 10:50
                             Re: Altri argomenti di tipo scientifico, storico, ecc. hi-speed 7/3/2006 11:00
                               Re: Altri argomenti di tipo scientifico, storico, ecc. Iceman 7/3/2006 11:14
                                 Re: Altri argomenti di tipo scientifico, storico, ecc. hi-speed 7/3/2006 12:52
                                   Re: Altri argomenti di tipo scientifico, storico, ecc. franco8 7/3/2006 13:23
                                     Re: Altri argomenti di tipo scientifico, storico, ecc. Ettore 7/3/2006 13:49
                                       Re: Altri argomenti di tipo scientifico, storico, ecc. Ettore 7/3/2006 14:00
                                       Re: Altri argomenti di tipo scientifico, storico, ecc. Iceman 7/3/2006 14:17
                                   Re: Altri argomenti di tipo scientifico, storico, ecc. Iceman 7/3/2006 14:07
                                     Re: Altri argomenti di tipo scientifico, storico, ecc. hi-speed 7/3/2006 14:19
                                       Re: Altri argomenti di tipo scientifico, storico, ecc. Iceman 7/3/2006 14:35
                                         Re: Altri argomenti di tipo scientifico, storico, ecc. hi-speed 7/3/2006 15:27
                                           Re: Altri argomenti di tipo scientifico, storico, ecc. Iceman 7/3/2006 16:37
                                             Re: Altri argomenti di tipo scientifico, storico, ecc. Ettore 7/3/2006 17:18
                                               Re: Altri argomenti di tipo scientifico, storico, ecc. Ettore 7/3/2006 17:41
                                                 Re: Altri argomenti di tipo scientifico, storico, ecc. Kolza 7/3/2006 19:43
                                                   Re: Altri argomenti di tipo scientifico, storico, ecc. Ettore 7/3/2006 20:19
                                                 Re: Altri argomenti di tipo scientifico, storico, ecc. Iceman 7/3/2006 21:23
                                             Re: Altri argomenti di tipo scientifico, storico, ecc. hi-speed 7/3/2006 17:31
                                               Re: Altri argomenti di tipo scientifico, storico, ecc. Iceman 7/3/2006 20:28
                                                 Re: Altri argomenti di tipo scientifico, storico, ecc. maxgallo 7/3/2006 20:42
                                                   Re: Altri argomenti di tipo scientifico, storico, ecc. Iceman 7/3/2006 21:14
                             Re: Altri argomenti di tipo scientifico, storico, ecc. Iceman 7/3/2006 11:07
                     Re: Altri argomenti di tipo scientifico, storico, ecc. franco8 6/3/2006 23:21
                       Re: Altri argomenti di tipo scientifico, storico, ecc. Kolza 6/3/2006 23:40
                         Re: Altri argomenti di tipo scientifico, storico, ecc. Ettore 7/3/2006 8:31
                           Re: Altri argomenti di tipo scientifico, storico, ecc. Kolza 7/3/2006 10:43
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                                                                                 Etica o non etica... LaoTzu 22/3/2006 11:05
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