Putin ha fatto qualche affermazione ?

Altra prova di disperazione.
Il portavoce della Casa Bianca, Josh Earnest, dice esplicitamente che le loro "informazioni" sono basate su foto e video tratte dalle reti sociali:

Q Has Russia moved multiple launch missile systems across the border into Ukraine?

MR. EARNEST: Well, Bill, I’m not able to give you the latest intelligence assessment. We have seen a pretty strong track record, and there’s ample evidence to indicate that there has been, unfortunately, a steady flow of heavy weapons across the border from Russia into Ukraine and into the hands of these Russian-backed separatists. We continue to be very concerned about that. We do know that it was an SA-11 system that was in the hands of separatists that brought down the Malaysian airliner last week. We know that Russia had been involved in training separatists to use that system. And that is why the Russians are responsible for that and why the international community is now focused on isolating the Putin regime and getting them to change their behavior in Ukraine.

Q There were apparently one or more systems moved close to the border earlier. It’s not somewhere around after 10:00 p.m., and they thought they might move them over today. And I wonder whether you knew that.

MR. EARNEST: I’m not in a position to offer a specific detailed intelligence assessment about today’s movements of heavy weapons.

Q Is there firing across the border in either direction?

MR. EARNEST: We have seen in the last couple of days, according to some social media reports but also to some intelligence assessments that have been released by the intelligence community, reports that there has been firing of Russian heavy weapons from the Russian side of the border at Ukrainian military personnel. We have detected that firing, and that does represent an escalation in this conflict. I know that the Pentagon and the State Department both talked about this a little bit yesterday, but it only underscores the concerns that the United States and the international community has about Russian behavior and the need for the Putin regime to change their strategy.

http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2014/07/25/press-briefing-press-secretary-josh-earnest-072514

Dunque, ricapitolando. Accusano i russi non solo di aver abbattuto, direttamente o indirettamente, MH 17, ma di continuare a trasferire armi dalla Russia alla parte orientale dell'Ucraina. E su quali basi?
1) reti sociali (se uno segue i forum di aviazione, TUTTI i video e le foto sono stati uno dopo l'altro debunkati) e
2) fantomatiche informazioni di intelligence che naturalmente non si degnano di presentare.

Conclusione: è così perché lo diciamo noi.

Godetevi lo spettacolo:

Il vice premier chiede la legge marziale fino alle prossime elezioni.

p.s. Boxano da Dio i politici Ucraini

Se qualcuno aveva ancora dei dubbi su quale sia il fine ultimo di questa crisi:

http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/news/world/europe/article4156155.ece
http://rt.com/news/175292-nato-poland-supply-base/

Anatoly Antonov, ministro della difesa russo, agli USA: "Allora, queste prove?"

If Russia is behind MH17 crash, where’s the evidence? – Defense Ministry

Russia has so far been the only nation to release evidence related to the MH17 crash, the Defense Ministry said, urging other countries to follow suit. Though there have been a lot of claims of Russia’s involvement, none have been backed by proof.

The US claims its intelligence data and satellite imagery confirm that the missile which downed MH17 was fired from rebel-controlled territory. So far it’s only a claim that has to be supplemented by proof, Russia’s Deputy Defense Minister Anatoly Antonov said in an emotional address released on Thursday.

“Where is this data? Why hasn’t it been made public? Is it because it is still being cooked, if I may say so?” Antonov asked in the statement. “By the way, one of the four US experts reportedly said that Russia may have been involved in creating conditions for the launch of this missile. It was nice, of course, of the other three that they did not say anything, but what about the fourth? Does he have any grounds to make such accusations? Or is it something predetermined?”

[...]

http://rt.com/news/175104-crash-evidence-antonov-defence/

Nel pomeriggio Reuters ha pubblicato una presunta intervista a uno dei leader delle milizie filorusse, Alexander Khodakovsky, in cui quest'ultimo ammetteva che i filorussi disponevano effettivamente di batterie di lanciamissili BUK e di averne preso visione personalmente.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/07/23/us-ukraine-crisis-commander-exclusive-idUSKBN0FS1V920140723

Ore dopo è arrivata la smentita. Khodakovsky ha detto di non aver mai detto quanto riportato da Reuters e di poter dimostrare che l'agenzia di stampa ha mentito.
L'articolo è in russo, ma con Google Traduttore si capisce abbastanza bene il senso.

http://ria.ru/world/20140723/1017273394.html

Lo stesso Guardian è costretto ad ammettere la smentita:
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jul/23/mh17-day-of-mourning-in-netherlands-as-bodies-arrive-live-updates

L'epic fail di Reuters fa diventare quasi un trionfo la figuraccia rimediata ieri da Lorenzo Cremonesi. Desperate people make desperate things.

@ fabrizio

Chi osa vince...

La Russia accusa Kiev di manipolare i dati del traffico aereo civile e militare:


Russia Suspects Kiev of Tampering With MH17 Crash Data

MOSCOW, July 23 (RIA Novosti) – The Russian Foreign Ministry has accused Kiev of trying to influence air traffic controllers and tamper with Boeing crash data in the wake of last week's disaster in eastern Ukraine, the ministry’s spokesman said Wednesday.

“According to reports that emerge, Ukrainian authorities are conducting certain covert activities involving data storage equipment and employees of Ukrainian air traffic control services, both civilian and military, without notifying international organizations,” spokesman Alexander Lukashevich said in a statement.

[...]

http://en.ria.ru/world/20140723/191152325/Russia-Suspects-Kiev-of-Tampering-With-MH17-Crash-Data.html

US: No link to Russian gov't in plane downing

WASHINGTON (AP) — Senior U.S. intelligence officials said Tuesday that Russia was responsible for "creating the conditions" that led to the shooting down of Malaysia Airlines Flight 17, but they offered no evidence of direct Russian government involvement.

The intelligence officials were cautious in their assessment, noting that while the Russians have been arming separatists in eastern Ukraine, the U.S. had no direct evidence that the missile used to shoot down the passenger jet came from Russia.

[...]

But the officials said they did not know who fired the missile or whether any Russian operatives were present at the missile launch. They were not certain that the missile crew was trained in Russia, although they described a stepped-up campaign in recent weeks by Russia to arm and train the rebels, which they say has continued even after the downing of the commercial jetliner.

In terms of who fired the missile, "we don't know a name, we don't know a rank and we're not even 100 percent sure of a nationality," one official said, adding at another point, "There is not going to be a Perry Mason moment here."

[...]

http://bigstory.ap.org/article/us-present-intelligence-data-plane-crash-0

Epic fail? Capitolazione? Scegliete voi.

Citazione:
A me si è appena aperto misteriosamente il lettore DVD/ROM.

Citazione:

Rischiamo ?

Rischiamo và....

http://youtu.be/DZ59APT0Zks

Della serie Disinformation in action:
http://www.corriere.it/esteri/14_luglio_22/cosi-stato-colpito-l-aereo-0a7e5f9e-115f-11e4-affb-3320a03d21e8.shtml

Sempre lui, già sgamato più volte a raccontare balle da Gaza e smentito dagli stessi israeliani.
Come da prassi, niente fonti verificate, niente nomi, niente riferimenti. Glielo ha detto suo cugggino.

Le scatole nere verranno analizzate da esperti britannici:
http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-28424115

La conferma viene da Cameron in persona e dal colonnello malese Mohamed Sakri. Dunque, ad oggi, la catena di custodia è questa (sempre sia vero quello che ci raccontano i media):

miliziani filorussi < militari malesi (Col. Mohamed Sakri) < militari olandesi < tecnici inglesi a Farnborough che effettueranno l'analisi del CVR e dell'FDR.

Mia modesta opinione: altro punto a favore di Putin. Affidando le scatole nere alla Malaysia (cioè al legittimo proprietario, libero a sua volta di farle analizzare da chi vuole), ha smontato un altro dei miti creati dalla stampa occidentale durante le prime 48 ore. Temo sia difficile ora accusarlo di voler occultare le prove, né il tempo intercorso tra il ritrovamento e la consegna in mani malesiane permetterebbe qualsiasi tipo di manipolazione.

E se lo linkassi semplicemente ?

Troppo rischioso ?

Era bello e credo riassumesse il punto principale...

La russia non deve accettare le provocazioni ucraine ed usa...

Evviva , posso ripostare il video

Scherzavo

Non so, costui dice che:

Malaysian Airlines Corpse Through the Roof Image is a Fake -- FOTO

Interessante.
Un pilota di un 787 Dreamliner dell'Air India (AI113), che si trovava nello stesso corridoio aereo di Malaysian 17 ad appena 25 km di distanza (equivalenti a 90 secondi circa, alla velocità di crociera di un 787/777), afferma che pochi minuti prima dell'impatto fatale l'ATC ha autorizzato MH17 a un "direct routing", cioè a un percorso diretto saltando i waypoint del piano di volo ufficiale registrato alla partenza, apparentemente con l'intento di fargli risparmiare tempo. Decisione quando mai improvvida.


Air India flight was 90 seconds away when missile struck Malaysia Airlines Flight MH17
Jul 20, 2014, 01.40AM IST TNN

MUMBAI: The ministry of civil aviation's claim that there was no Air India flight near the ill-fated Malaysia Airlines Boeing 777 when it was shot down over Ukraine on Thursday appears misleading.

An Air India Dreamliner flight going from Delhi to Birmingham was in fact less than 25km away from the Malaysian aircraft, a distance covered by a Dreamliner or Boeing 777 in about 90 seconds, when the latter was hit. Because of this closeness, the Dnipropetrovsk (local Ukrainian) air traffic controller asked the AI pilots to try and establish contact with pilots of the Malaysian aircraft who had stopped responding to its calls.

Minutes before the crash caused by a missile strike, the AI pilots had also heard the controller give the Malaysian aircraft MH17 what is called "a direct routing". This permits an aircraft to fly straight, instead of tracking the regular route which is generally a zig-zag track that goes from one ground-based navigation aid or way point to another. "Direct routing saves fuel and time and is preferred by pilots. In this case, it proved fatal," said an airline source.

"The AI Dreamliner was less than 25km away from the Malaysian aircraft when the latter was hit by a missile. When the pilots learnt the cause of the crash later, they were stunned. It's like the person standing next to you has been hit by a sniper bullet," said the source.

As instructed by the controller, the AI pilots tried to contact the Boeing 777 after its transponder display went off the radar. The message they sent was: "Malaysian 17, this is Air India 113. How do you read?" There was, of course, no response.

Soon after the tragedy, the media picked up data from flightradar24, a live flight tracker website which showed the AI aircraft in the vicinity. But the next day, on Friday, the civil aviation ministry issued a statement that "there was no Air India flight near the ill-fated Malaysian plane at the time of the incident".

The Ukrainian airspace is divided into five flight information regions: Kiev, Lviv, Dnipropetrovsk, Odessa and Simferopol. MH17 was in the Dnipropetrovsk airspace flying an east-bound track on 33,000feet and the AI Delhi-Birmingham flight was on a west-bound route and had entered Ukraine after crossing Russia when the AI pilots heard the Dnipropetrovsk controller give the Malaysian aircraft a direct routing.

Barely minutes later, the AI pilots heard the controller trying to establish contact with the Malaysian aircraft. When no response came from the Malaysian crew, the controller asked the AI pilots to try. It is standard practice for air traffic controllers to ask pilots of aircraft in the vicinity to get in touch with pilots who have stopped responding.

In order to communicate, pilots and controllers tune in to one particular radio frequency, and all the conversation that takes place on that wavelength can be heard by all the aircraft who are tuned in to this frequency. So the pilots can hear each other as well as the instructions given by the controller to all the aircraft in a particular flight information region.

Other than this particular radio frequency on which pilots can communicate with controllers and other pilots, there is another radio set in the cockpit which is always tuned to 121.5MHz, known as the emergency frequency.

The pilots would try to contact the non-responding crew on this frequency too, but more importantly, it is on this frequency that they would get to hear the signature distress beep tone emitted by an emergency locator transmitter of an aircraft soon after it has crashed.

http://m.timesofindia.com/india/Air-India-flight-was-90-seconds-away-when-missile-struck-Malaysia-Airlines-Flight-MH17/articleshow/38702536.cms

Continuazione del thread Abbattimento di MH 17, inutilizzabile a causa di un problema tecnico.