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Re: Salute, ambiente ed eticità: vegan vs onnivori
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Tanto per pigrizia - e perche' illustra piuttosto bene il mio punto di vista e cioe' che la gente dovrebbe mangiare quello che il proprio corpo suggerisce e che riesce a trovare, oltre che seguire preparazioni che sono scaturite da culture millenarie - espongo qui sotto un paio di stralci che si possono trovare su The Myths of Vegetarianism di Stephen Byrnes:

"many of the vegetarian claims cannot be substantiated and some are simply false and dangerous. There are benefits with vegetarian diets for certain health conditions, and some people function better on less fat and protein"
"MYTH #1: Meat consumption contributes to famine and depletes the Earth's natural resources.
Some vegetarians have claimed that livestock require pasturage that could be used to farm grains to feed starving people in Third World countries. It is also claimed that feeding animals contributes to world hunger because livestock are eating foods that could go to feed humans. The solution to world hunger, therefore, is for people to become vegetarians. These arguments are illogical and simplistic.

The first argument ignores the fact that about two-thirds of our Earth's dry land is unsuitable for farming. It is primarily the open range, desert and mountainous areas that provide food to grazing animals, and that land is currently being put to good use.1

The second argument is faulty as well because it ignores the vital contributions that livestock animals make to humanity's well-being. It is also misleading to think that the foods grown and given to feed livestock could be diverted to feed humans:

Agricultural animals have always made a major contribution to the welfare of human societies by providing food, shelter, fuel, fertilizer and other products and services. They are a renewable resource, and utilize another renewable resource, plants, to produce these products and services. In addition, the manure produced by the animals helps improve soil fertility and, thus, aids the plants. In some developing countries the manure cannot be utilized as a fertilizer but is dried as a source of fuel.

There are many who feel that because the world population is growing at a faster rate than is the food supply, we are becoming less and less able to afford animal foods because feeding plant products to animals is an inefficient use of potential human food. It is true that it is more efficient for humans to eat plant products directly rather than to allow animals to convert them to human food. At best, animals only produce one pound or less of human food for each three pounds of plants eaten. However, this inefficiency only applies to those plants and plant products that the human can utilize. The fact is that over two-thirds of the feed fed to animals consists of substances that are either undesirable or completely unsuited for human food. Thus, by their ability to convert inedible plant materials to human food, animals not only do not compete with the human; rather, they aid greatly in improving both the quantity and the quality of the diets of human societies.2

Furthermore, at the present time, there is more than enough food grown in the world to feed all people on the planet. The problem is widespread poverty, making it impossible for the starving poor to afford it. In a comprehensive report, the Population Reference Bureau attributed the world hunger problem to poverty, not meat-eating.3 It also did not consider mass vegetarianism to be a solution for world hunger.

What would actually happen, however, if animal husbandry were abandoned in favour of mass agriculture, brought about by humanity turning towards vegetarianism?

If a large number of people switched to vegetarianism, the demand for meat in the United States and Europe would fall, the supply of grain would dramatically increase, but the buying power of poor [starving] people in Africa and Asia wouldn't change at all.

The result would be very predictable: there would be a mass exodus from farming. Whereas today the total amount of grains produced could feed 10 billion people, the total amount of grain grown in this post-meat world would likely fall back to about 7 or 8 billion. The trend of farmers selling their land to developers and others would accelerate quickly.4

In other words, there would be less food available for the world to eat. Furthermore, the monoculture of grains and legumes, which is what would happen if animal husbandry were abandoned and the world relied exclusively on plant foods for its food, would rapidly deplete the soil and require the heavy use of artificial fertilisers, one ton of which requires ten tons of crude oil to produce.5

As far as the impact on our environment is concerned, a closer look reveals the great damage that exclusive and mass farming would do. British organic dairy farmer and researcher Mark Purdey wisely points out that if "veganic agricultural systems were to gain a foothold on the soil, then agrichemical use, soil erosion, cash cropping, prairie-scapes and ill health would escalate".6 Neanderthin author Ray Audette concurs with this view:

Since ancient times, the most destructive factor in the degradation of the environment has been monoculture agriculture. The production of wheat in ancient Sumeria transformed once-fertile plains into salt flats that remain sterile 5,000 years later. As well as depleting both the soil and water sources, monoculture agriculture also produces environmental damage by altering the delicate balance of natural ecosystems. World rice production in 1993, for instance, caused 155 million cases of malaria by providing breeding grounds for mosquitoes in the paddies. Human contact with ducks in the same rice paddies resulted in 500 million cases of influenza during the same year.7

There is little doubt, though, that commercial farming methods, whether of plants or animals, produce harm to the environment. With the heavy use of agrichemicals, pesticides, artificial fertilisers, hormones, steroids and antibiotics common in modern agriculture, a better way of integrating animal husbandry with agriculture needs to be found. A possible solution might be a return to "mixed farming", described below.

The educated consumer and the enlightened farmer together can bring about a return of the mixed farm, where cultivation of fruits, vegetables and grains is combined with the raising of livestock and fowl in a manner that is efficient, economical and environmentally friendly. For example, chickens running free in garden areas eat insect pests, while providing high-quality eggs; sheep grazing in orchards obviate the need for herbicides; and cows grazing in woodlands and other marginal areas provide rich, pure milk, making these lands economically viable for the farmer. It is not animal cultivation that leads to hunger and famine, but unwise agricultural practices and monopolistic distribution systems.8

The "mixed farm" is also healthier for the soil, which will yield more crops if managed according to traditional guidelines. Mark Purdey has accurately pointed out that a crop field on a mixed farm will yield up to five harvests a year, while a "mono-cropped" one will only yield one or two.9 Which farm is producing more food for the world's peoples? Purdey well sums up the ecological horrors of "battery farming" and points to future solutions by saying:

Our agricultural establishments could do very well to outlaw the business-besotted farmers running intensive livestock units, battery systems and beef-burger bureaucracies, with all their wastages, deplorable cruelty, anti-ozone slurry systems, drug/chemical-induced immunotoxicity resulting in BSE and salmonella, rainforest eradication, etc. Our future direction must strike the happy, healthy medium of mixed farms, resurrecting the old traditional extensive system as a basic framework, then bolstering up productivity to present-day demands by incorporating a more updated application of biological science into farming systems.10

It does not appear, then, that livestock farming, when properly practised, damages the environment. Nor does it appear that world vegetarianism and exclusively relying on agriculture to supply the world with food are feasible or ecologically wise ideas."

"MYTH #15: Eating animal foods is inhumane.
Without question, some commercially raised livestock live in deplorable conditions where sickness and suffering are common. In countries like Korea, food animals such as dogs are sometimes killed in horrific ways, e.g., beaten to death with a club. Our recommendations for animal foods consumption most definitely do not endorse such practices.

As noted in our discussion of Myth #1, commercial farming of livestock results in an unhealthy food product, whether that product be meat, milk, butter, cream or eggs. Our ancestors did not consume such substandard foodstuffs, and neither should we.

It is possible to raise animals humanely. This is why organic, preferably biodynamic, farming is to be encouraged: it is cleaner and more efficient, and produces healthier animals and foodstuffs from those animals. Each person should make every effort, then, to purchase organically raised livestock (and plant foods). Not only does this better support our bodies--as organic foods are more nutrient-dense132 and are free from hormone and pesticide residues--but this also supports smaller farms and is therefore better for the economy.133

Nevertheless, many people have philosophical problems with eating animal flesh, and these sentiments must be respected. Dairy products and eggs, though, are not the result of an animal's death and are fine alternatives for these people.

It should also not be forgotten that agriculture, which involves both the clearance of land to plant crops and the protection and maintenance of those crops, results in many animal deaths.134 Therefore, the belief that "becoming vegetarian" will somehow spare animals from dying is one with no foundation in fact"

Mangiate cosa vi pare, meglio se non arriva dal supermercato, ma direttamente dal piccolo contadino della vostra regione, dal vostro orto o dalle vostre bestie.

E non date mai retta ai fanatici, la via per l'inferno e' lastricata di buone intenzioni.


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                                                                                                     Re: Salute, ambiente ed eticità: vegan vs onnivori bandit 27/7/2006 22:58
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                                                                                                         Re: Salute, ambiente ed eticità: vegan vs onnivori clausneghe 28/7/2006 0:52
                                                                                                           Re: Salute, ambiente ed eticità: vegan vs onnivori Paxtibi 28/7/2006 0:58
                                                                                                             Re: Salute, ambiente ed eticità: vegan vs onnivori clausneghe 28/7/2006 1:24
                                                                                                   Re: Salute, ambiente ed eticità: vegan vs onnivori Ivy 28/7/2006 9:03
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                                                                                                       Re: Salute, ambiente ed eticità: vegan vs onnivori Ivy 28/7/2006 16:13
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                                                                                                           Re: Salute, ambiente ed eticità: vegan vs onnivori Ivy 28/7/2006 21:21
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                                                                                                               Re: Salute, ambiente ed eticità: vegan vs onnivori clausneghe 28/7/2006 23:47
                                                                                                                 Re: Salute, ambiente ed eticità: vegan vs onnivori PikeBishop 29/7/2006 10:14
                                                                                                                   Re: Salute, ambiente ed eticità: vegan vs onnivori Daemon 29/7/2006 11:36
                                                                                                                     Re: Salute, ambiente ed eticità: vegan vs onnivori PikeBishop 29/7/2006 11:57
                                                                                                                       Re: Salute, ambiente ed eticità: vegan vs onnivori Daemon 29/7/2006 13:29
                                                                                                                         Re: Salute, ambiente ed eticità: vegan vs onnivori PikeBishop 29/7/2006 13:46
                                                                                                                           Re: Salute, ambiente ed eticità: vegan vs onnivori Daemon 29/7/2006 13:59
                                                                                                                             Re: Salute, ambiente ed eticità: vegan vs onnivori Paxtibi 29/7/2006 14:06
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                                                                                                                                 Re: Salute, ambiente ed eticità: vegan vs onnivori bianca 29/7/2006 14:59
                                                                                                                     Re: Salute, ambiente ed eticità: vegan vs onnivori migiu2 29/7/2006 15:56
                                                                                                             Re: Salute, ambiente ed eticità: vegan vs onnivori fiammifero 28/7/2006 22:47
                                                                                                               Re: Salute, ambiente ed eticità: vegan vs onnivori migiu2 29/7/2006 17:07
                                                                                                                 Re: Salute, ambiente ed eticità: vegan vs onnivori fiammifero 29/7/2006 23:10
                                                                                                                   Re: Salute, ambiente ed eticità: vegan vs onnivori migiu2 31/7/2006 16:05
                                                                                                                     Re: Salute, ambiente ed eticità: vegan vs onnivori fiammifero 31/7/2006 17:52
                                                                                                                       Re: Salute, ambiente ed eticità: vegan vs onnivori Ashoka 31/7/2006 18:13
                                                                                                                         Re: Salute, ambiente ed eticità: vegan vs onnivori migiu2 31/7/2006 18:31
                                                                                                                           Re: Salute, ambiente ed eticità: vegan vs onnivori Ashoka 31/7/2006 18:45
                                                                                                                             Re: Salute, ambiente ed eticità: vegan vs onnivori Daemon 1/8/2006 15:52
                                                                                                                               Re: Salute, ambiente ed eticità: vegan vs onnivori Paxtibi 1/8/2006 15:59
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                                                                                                                                       Re: Salute, ambiente ed eticità: vegan vs onnivori Ivy 3/8/2006 8:48
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                                                                                                                                           Re: Salute, ambiente ed eticità: vegan vs onnivori Ivy 3/8/2006 10:21
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                                                                                                                                                                       Re: Salute, ambiente ed eticità: vegan vs onnivori florizel 17/8/2006 22:05
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                                                                                                                                                                                 Re: Salute, ambiente ed eticità: vegan vs onnivori Daemon 18/8/2006 0:06
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                                                                                                                                                                                     Re: Salute, ambiente ed eticità: vegan vs onnivori bandit 18/8/2006 18:29
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                                                                                                                                                                                           Re: Salute, ambiente ed eticità: vegan vs onnivori fiammifero 22/8/2006 18:53
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                                                                                                                                                                                                 Re: Salute, ambiente ed eticità: vegan vs onnivori Daemon 24/8/2006 17:21
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                                                                                                                                                                                 Re: Salute, ambiente ed eticità: vegan vs onnivori Daemon 18/8/2006 11:07
                                                                                                                                                   Re: Salute, ambiente ed eticità: vegan vs onnivori fiammifero 4/8/2006 15:04
                                                                                                                                                     Re: Salute, ambiente ed eticità: vegan vs onnivori Daemon 4/8/2006 18:37
                                                                                                                                                       Re: Salute, ambiente ed eticità: vegan vs onnivori PikeBishop 4/8/2006 18:47
                                                                                                                                                         Re: Salute, ambiente ed eticità: vegan vs onnivori fiammifero 4/8/2006 20:52
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                                                                                                                                                                 Re: Salute, ambiente ed eticità: vegan vs onnivori Paxtibi 5/8/2006 12:08
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                                                                                                                                                                                 Re: Salute, ambiente ed eticità: vegan vs onnivori Santro 5/8/2006 19:50
                                                                                                                                                                 Re: Salute, ambiente ed eticità: vegan vs onnivori Linucs 5/8/2006 17:22
                                                                                                                                                           Re: Salute, ambiente ed eticità: vegan vs onnivori bianca 4/8/2006 21:04
                                                                                                                                         Re: Salute, ambiente ed eticità: vegan vs onnivori fiammifero 3/8/2006 10:42
                                                                                                                           Re: Salute, ambiente ed eticità: vegan vs onnivori nike 31/7/2006 19:06
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                                                                                                                               Re: Salute, ambiente ed eticità: vegan vs onnivori nike 31/7/2006 19:41
                                                                                                                                 Re: Salute, ambiente ed eticità: vegan vs onnivori Santro 1/8/2006 6:25
                                                                                                                                   Re: Salute, ambiente ed eticità: vegan vs onnivori fiammifero 1/8/2006 9:45
                                                                                                                                   Re: Salute, ambiente ed eticità: vegan vs onnivori nike 1/8/2006 10:59
                                                                                                                                     Re: Salute, ambiente ed eticità: vegan vs onnivori migiu2 1/8/2006 11:24
                                                                                         Re: Salute, ambiente ed eticità: vegan vs onnivori Daemon 24/7/2006 14:59
                                                                             Re: Salute, ambiente ed eticità: vegan vs onnivori bianca 22/7/2006 11:57
                                                                               Re: Salute, ambiente ed eticità: vegan vs onnivori Daemon 22/7/2006 16:41
                                                                                 Re: Salute, ambiente ed eticità: vegan vs onnivori fiammifero 22/7/2006 17:54
                                                                                   Re: Salute, ambiente ed eticità: vegan vs onnivori migiu2 22/7/2006 22:08
                                                                                     Re: Salute, ambiente ed eticità: vegan vs onnivori fiammifero 22/7/2006 23:23
                                                                                       Re: Salute, ambiente ed eticità: vegan vs onnivori migiu2 23/7/2006 0:32
                                                                                         Re: Salute, ambiente ed eticità: vegan vs onnivori migiu2 23/7/2006 23:33
                                                                                         Re: Salute, ambiente ed eticità: vegan vs onnivori bianca 24/7/2006 11:42
                                                                                           Re: Salute, ambiente ed eticità: vegan vs onnivori migiu2 24/7/2006 12:50
                                                                                   Re: Salute, ambiente ed eticità: vegan vs onnivori ciccio5 24/8/2006 20:46
                                                                                     Re: Salute, ambiente ed eticità: vegan vs onnivori ciccio5 24/8/2006 21:22
                                                                                       Re: Salute, ambiente ed eticità: vegan vs onnivori bianca 24/8/2006 21:29
                                                                                         Re: Salute, ambiente ed eticità: vegan vs onnivori Daemon 24/8/2006 21:46
                                                                                           Re: Salute, ambiente ed eticità: vegan vs onnivori ciccio5 25/8/2006 7:56
                                                                                           Re: Salute, ambiente ed eticità: vegan vs onnivori Max_Piano 25/8/2006 10:22
                                                                                             Re: Salute, ambiente ed eticità: vegan vs onnivori mc 25/8/2006 11:46
                                                                                               Re: Salute, ambiente ed eticità: vegan vs onnivori migiu2 25/8/2006 14:55
                                                                                                 Re: Salute, ambiente ed eticità: vegan vs onnivori Max_Piano 25/8/2006 20:08
                                                                                                   Re: Salute, ambiente ed eticità: vegan vs onnivori fiammifero 25/8/2006 23:28
                                                                                                     Re: Salute, ambiente ed eticità: vegan vs onnivori bianca 26/8/2006 0:07
                                                                                                       Re: Salute, ambiente ed eticità: vegan vs onnivori Vinnie 28/8/2006 2:05
                                                                                                     Re: Salute, ambiente ed eticità: vegan vs onnivori migiu2 28/8/2006 16:10
                                                                                                       Re: Salute, ambiente ed eticità: vegan vs onnivori Santro 28/8/2006 16:51
                                                                                                         Re: Salute, ambiente ed eticità: vegan vs onnivori fiammifero 28/8/2006 17:35
                                                                                                         Re: Salute, ambiente ed eticità: vegan vs onnivori migiu2 29/8/2006 0:55
                                                                                                           Re: Salute, ambiente ed eticità: vegan vs onnivori fiammifero 29/8/2006 1:32
                                                                                                   Re: Salute, ambiente ed eticità: vegan vs onnivori Daemon 29/8/2006 10:29
                                                                                                     Re: Salute, ambiente ed eticità: vegan vs onnivori ciccio5 29/8/2006 14:16
                                                                                                       Re: Salute, ambiente ed eticità: vegan vs onnivori Max_Piano 29/8/2006 14:36
                                                                                                         Re: Salute, ambiente ed eticità: vegan vs onnivori ciccio5 29/8/2006 14:44
                                                                                                           Re: Salute, ambiente ed eticità: vegan vs onnivori migiu2 6/9/2006 0:07
                                                                                                             Re: Salute, ambiente ed eticità: vegan vs onnivori Max_Piano 6/9/2006 1:18
                                                                                                               Re: Salute, ambiente ed eticità: vegan vs onnivori bandit 6/9/2006 8:05
                                                                                                                 Re: Salute, ambiente ed eticità: vegan vs onnivori fiammifero 6/9/2006 9:29
                                                                                                                   Re: Salute, ambiente ed eticità: vegan vs onnivori migiu2 6/9/2006 14:10
                                                                                                                     Re: Salute, ambiente ed eticità: vegan vs onnivori Paxtibi 6/9/2006 14:59
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                                                                                                                         Re: Salute, ambiente ed eticità: vegan vs onnivori migiu2 9/10/2006 16:27
                                                                                                                           Re: Salute, ambiente ed eticità: vegan vs onnivori benitoche 10/10/2006 22:15
                                                                                                                             Re: Salute, ambiente ed eticità: vegan vs onnivori migiu2 10/10/2006 22:41
                                                                                                                               Re: Salute, ambiente ed eticità: vegan vs onnivori benitoche 11/10/2006 0:45
                                                                                                                                 Re: Salute, ambiente ed eticità: vegan vs onnivori migiu2 11/10/2006 20:49
                                                                                                                                   Re: Salute, ambiente ed eticità: vegan vs onnivori Santro 11/10/2006 20:55
                                                                                                                                     Re: Salute, ambiente ed eticità: vegan vs onnivori migiu2 12/10/2006 12:45
                                                                                                                                       Re: Salute, ambiente ed eticità: vegan vs onnivori bandit 12/10/2006 12:55
                                                                                                                                         Re: Salute, ambiente ed eticità: vegan vs onnivori Santro 12/10/2006 15:55
                                                                                                                                           Re: Salute, ambiente ed eticità: vegan vs onnivori benitoche 13/10/2006 17:19
                                                                                                                                           Re: Salute, ambiente ed eticità: vegan vs onnivori migiu2 18/10/2006 15:06
                                                                                                                                             Re: Salute, ambiente ed eticità: vegan vs onnivori migiu2 18/10/2006 15:23
                                                                                                                                               Re: Salute, ambiente ed eticità: vegan vs onnivori Abulafia 18/10/2006 15:33
                                                                                                                                                 Re: Salute, ambiente ed eticità: vegan vs onnivori migiu2 18/10/2006 15:50
                                                                                                                                                   Re: Salute, ambiente ed eticità: vegan vs onnivori migiu2 7/11/2006 21:42
                                                                                                                                                     Re: Salute, ambiente ed eticità: vegan vs onnivori Max_Piano 7/11/2006 22:34
                                                                                                                                                       Re: Salute, ambiente ed eticità: vegan vs onnivori fiammifero 7/11/2006 22:59
                                                                                                                                                         Re: Salute, ambiente ed eticità: vegan vs onnivori migiu2 7/11/2006 23:49
                                                                                                                                                           Re: Salute, ambiente ed eticità: vegan vs onnivori Santaruina 7/11/2006 23:51
                                                                                                                                                             Re: Salute, ambiente ed eticità: vegan vs onnivori migiu2 7/11/2006 23:59
                                                                                                                                                               Re: Salute, ambiente ed eticità: vegan vs onnivori Santaruina 8/11/2006 0:09
                                                                                                                                                                 Re: Salute, ambiente ed eticità: vegan vs onnivori kalpoterni 8/11/2006 20:38
                                                                                                                                                           Re: Salute, ambiente ed eticità: vegan vs onnivori fiammifero 9/11/2006 1:00
                                                                                                                                                             Re: Salute, ambiente ed eticità: vegan vs onnivori migiu2 18/12/2006 19:21
                                                                                                                                                               Re: Salute, ambiente ed eticità: vegan vs onnivori fiammifero 19/12/2006 9:47
                                                                                                                                                               Re: Salute, ambiente ed eticità: vegan vs onnivori Paxtibi 19/12/2006 11:42
                                                                                                                                                                 Re: Salute, ambiente ed eticità: la scelta vegetariana migiu2 8/3/2007 13:38
                                                                                                                                                                   Re: Salute, ambiente ed eticità: la scelta vegetariana PikeBishop 8/3/2007 14:01
                                                                                                                                                                     Re: Salute, ambiente ed eticità: la scelta vegetariana migiu2 8/3/2007 14:12
                                                                                                                                                                       Re: Salute, ambiente ed eticità: la scelta vegetariana PikeBishop 8/3/2007 14:24
                                                                                                                                                                     Re: Salute, ambiente ed eticità: la scelta vegetariana NiHiLaNtH 8/3/2007 14:26
                                                                                                                                                                       Re: Salute, ambiente ed eticità: la scelta vegetariana migiu2 8/3/2007 14:44
                                                                                                                                                                         Re: Salute, ambiente ed eticità: la scelta vegetariana PikeBishop 8/3/2007 14:49
                                                                                                                                                                           Re: Salute, ambiente ed eticità: la scelta vegetariana migiu2 8/3/2007 14:51
                                                                                                                                                                             Re: Salute, ambiente ed eticità: la scelta vegetariana Kirbmarc 8/3/2007 14:54
                                                                                                                                                                               Re: Salute, ambiente ed eticità: la scelta vegetariana migiu2 8/3/2007 15:14
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                                                                                                                                                                   Re: Salute, ambiente ed eticità: la scelta vegetariana Linucs 8/3/2007 16:04
                                                                                                                                                                     Re: Salute, ambiente ed eticità: la scelta vegetariana migiu2 8/3/2007 19:19
                                                                                                                                                                       Re: Salute, ambiente ed eticità: la scelta vegetariana fiammifero 9/3/2007 11:34
                                                                                                                                                                         Re: Salute, ambiente ed eticità: la scelta vegetariana migiu2 9/3/2007 11:47
                                                                                                                                                                           Re: Salute, ambiente ed eticità: la scelta vegetariana PikeBishop 9/3/2007 12:35
                                                                                                                                                                             Re: Salute, ambiente ed eticità: la scelta vegetariana migiu2 9/3/2007 13:42
                                                                                                                                                                               Re: Salute, ambiente ed eticità: la scelta vegetariana Kirbmarc 9/3/2007 13:58
                                                                                                                                                                                 Re: Salute, ambiente ed eticità: la scelta vegetariana PikeBishop 9/3/2007 15:25
                                                                                                                                                                                   Re: Salute, ambiente ed eticità: la scelta vegetariana migiu2 9/3/2007 17:06
                                                                                                                                                                                     Re: Salute, ambiente ed eticità: la scelta vegetariana migiu2 9/3/2007 17:13
                                                                                                                                                                                     Re: Salute, ambiente ed eticità: la scelta vegetariana Ramingo 9/3/2007 17:52
                                                                                                                                                                                 Re: Salute, ambiente ed eticità: la scelta vegetariana migiu2 9/3/2007 18:42
                                                                                                                                                                                   Re: Salute, ambiente ed eticità: la scelta vegetariana PikeBishop 9/3/2007 19:11
                                                                                                                                                                                     Re: Salute, ambiente ed eticità: la scelta vegetariana fiammifero 9/3/2007 19:59
                                                                                                                                                                                       Re: Salute, ambiente ed eticità: la scelta vegetariana Ramingo 10/3/2007 9:56
                                                                                                                                                                                         Re: Salute, ambiente ed eticità: la scelta vegetariana PikeBishop 10/3/2007 10:17
                                                                                                                                                                                           Re: Salute, ambiente ed eticità: la scelta vegetariana Pausania 10/3/2007 10:34
                                                                                                                                                                                             Re: Salute, ambiente ed eticità: la scelta vegetariana PikeBishop 10/3/2007 10:50
                                                                                                                                                                                               Re: Salute, ambiente ed eticità: la scelta vegetariana migiu2 10/3/2007 11:32
                                                                                                                                                                                                 Re: Salute, ambiente ed eticità: la scelta vegetariana PikeBishop 10/3/2007 11:55
                                                                                                                                                                                                   Re: Salute, ambiente ed eticità: la scelta vegetariana Santro 10/3/2007 12:33
                                                                                                                                                                                                   Re: Salute, ambiente ed eticità: la scelta vegetariana migiu2 10/3/2007 12:42
                                                                                                                                                                                                     Re: Salute, ambiente ed eticità: la scelta vegetariana PikeBishop 10/3/2007 17:11
                                                                                                                                                                                                       Re: Salute, ambiente ed eticità: la scelta vegetariana Pausania 10/3/2007 19:17
                                                                                                                                                                                                         Re: Salute, ambiente ed eticità: la scelta vegetariana Santaruina 10/3/2007 20:47
                                                                                                                                                                                                           Re: Salute, ambiente ed eticità: la scelta vegetariana migiu2 11/3/2007 13:14
                                                                                                                                                                                                             Re: Salute, ambiente ed eticità: la scelta vegetariana Kirbmarc 12/3/2007 16:27
                                                                                                                                                                                                               Re: Salute, ambiente ed eticità: la scelta vegetariana migiu2 12/3/2007 19:02
                                                                                                                                                                                                                 Re: Salute, ambiente ed eticità: la scelta vegetariana Kirbmarc 12/3/2007 19:11
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