nello specifico, quando il vaticano si sarebbe inserito nel contesto degli illuminati?

Cassandra ha scritto:
Temo che questo forum sia andato definitivamente in vacca.

fiammifero ha scritto:
Saturnia quindi è il nome poetico virgiliano dell'Italia non di Roma.

March 17, 2004 (Many of the following concepts will be unfamiliar to those who have not been following my research steadily. It is the author's contention that Spain is playing a central, though covert, role in Middle East diplomacy, believing it has a God-given, if Medieval, right to rule Israel and especially Jerusalem. Its Jesuit King, Juan Carlos, owns the title, Protector Of The Holy Places Of Jerusalem, and he takes the responsibility seriously, as do his superiors in Rome.

noreprez ha scritto:
guarda che i cavalieri di colombo sono un'associazione di carità cattolica fondata da padre McGivney nel 1882.

Bohemian Grove was established over time, shortly after the founding of the Bohemian Club in 1872. For several years, the members of the Club camped together at various locations, including the present Muir Woods, Samuel P. Taylor State Park, and a separate redwood grove near Duncan Mills, down river from the current location. Regular July encampments similar to those held today began in 1899

hornet ha scritto:
Citazione:

noreprez ha scritto:
guarda che i cavalieri di colombo sono un'associazione di carità cattolica fondata da padre McGivney nel 1882.

e la Bohemian Grove è un'area destinata ai pic-nic e al camping

noreprez ha scritto:
ma come fà un padre cattolico ad essere satanista?!?

noreprez ha scritto:
in seguito ho visto la fonte da dove Hornet si ispira..il link corrisponde al sito di una delle tante chiese protestanti o avventiste che ci sono negli stati uniti.
Niente sorprese allora: è da Lutero che il protestantesimo smerda il papa e viceversa, il problema è prendere tutto per oro colato.

noreprez ha scritto:
questo tra l'altro è uno dei simboli dei cavaglieri di colombo.



...intenti senza dubbio satanici...

Vatican Lawyers Claim Nazi Regime Violated No Law in Genocide of 500,000 Serbs, Jews, & Roma

San Francisco:

Lawyers for the Vatican Bank including Pope Benedict's personal attorney have argued that genocide committed in Croatia during the Second World War by a Nazi regime was permissible under international law.

In the ongoing lawsuit Alperin v. Vatican Bank, the Vatican Bank has filed a motion set for hearing in November that argues in part that the Vatican Bank is immune because the Nazi backed Croatian regime did not violate international law by slaughtering 500,000 of its own citizens - Serbs, Jews, and Roma in an ethnic cleansing campaign.

The Vatican Bank stands accused of the post war laundering of the profits of genocide - including dental gold taken from the victims of the Nazi backed Croatian regime known as the Ustasha.

noreprez ha scritto:

questo tra l'altro è uno dei simboli dei cavalieri di colombo.



...intenti senza dubbio satanici...

"Gli Americani non hanno ancora messo assieme i pezzi del mosaico", ha
detto Levy, "debbono sapere che il Vaticano è diventato un porto franco per
truffatori, a pedofili e per la corruzione finanziaria internazionale. Nel
chiedere l'accorpamento di casi connessi fra loro e nel chiedere un
pronunciamento urgente sull'immunità del Vaticano stiamo di fatto dando una
mano a quella parte del clero che è onesta ed interessata a risolvere una
situazione tanto imbarazzante".

Cassandra ha scritto:
Personalmente, parto dal presupposto che tutto quello che dicono gli estremisti luterani sul Vaticano è una boiata.
Poi, per informarmi, vado a leggere di Roberto Calvi, del Banco Ambrosiano, di Marcinkus, dell'Opus Dei, della Banda della Magliana... non ci manca mica il materiale casalingo per farci un'idea degli intrallazzi vaticani.
Non serve dar retta a quei pazzoidi americani.

Cassandra ha scritto:
Poi, per informarmi, vado a leggere di Roberto Calvi, del Banco Ambrosiano, di Marcinkus, dell'Opus Dei, della Banda della Magliana...

SMOM and P-2

Freemasonry generally purports to be hostile to Catholicism, and conversely, the Vatican has at various times forbidden Catholics to join Masonic organizations. Nevertheless, in December of 1969 an exclusive meeting was held in the Rome office of Count Umberto Ortolani, the Ambassador of the Order of Malta to Uruguay, who has been called "the brains" behind the fascist P-2 Masonic Lodge, which had been established in the mid-1960s.20 In addition to Ortolani, the meeting included only Licio Gelli, Roberto Calvi, and Michele Sindona.21

Gelli had fought for Franco (who was himself a Bailiff Grand Cross of SMOM) with Mussolini's troops during the Spanish Civil War. He was a committed fascist during WW II and at the end of the war was wanted by the partisans for collaborating with the Nazis. After the war he developed extensive interests in Latin America where he became close friends with the Argentinean dictator Juan Peron; he was also the Grand Master of P-2.22

CIC reports to Washington gave detailed descriptions of Pavelic's stay in Rome under church protection "disguised as a priest within Vatican City" and predicted his escape to Argentina, then ruled by the dictator Juan Peron, a Bailiff Grand Cross of Honor and Devotion of the Knights of Malta.

They also reported Pavelic's contacts with Monsignor Giovanni Battista Montini, the Vatican's undersecretary of state and the future Pope Paul VI.

Montini, a close friend of SMOM and the OSS' principal contact in the Vatican during the war, supervised the Vatican bureau that issued refugee travel documents.

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The relationship of the Vatican, SMOM and the OSS/CIA was also important in the crucial 1948 Italian elections. Baron Parrilli again served as a go-between, this time with the CIA, in planning Vatican strategy to prevent a Communist victory by backing the Christian Democrats. A key figure in the plan was Luigi Gedda, a Turin doctor, Knight of Malta and Catholic integralist who wanted to restore Europe to an age before Protestantism and the French Revolution.

Gedda was head of Italy's Catholic Action, a militant lay movement of young people who served as papal shock troops-C.L. Sulzberger, of the New York Times, reported from Rome that Catholic Action "is armed, active and tough." Gedda organized a network of 18,000 "civic committees" to get out the vote. James Angleton, then CIA's Vatican connection, strongly recommended CIA funding for Gedda's political machine. The CIA pumped $65 million into Italian centrist and right-wing movements between 1946 and 1972, according to hearings by the House of Representatives.

Other important players were Montini and Spellman, the latter funneling huge amounts of New York money into clandestine church activities in Italy. Spellman encouraged a letter-writing campaign whereby Italian Americans urged their relatives to vote against the Italian Communists, and he joined such famous Americans as Frank Sinatra, Bing Crosby and Gary Cooper in a radio blitz of Italy at election time.

Meanwhile, Catholic Action's papal troops prepared for battle with U.S. jeeps, guns and other supplies. The Christian Democrats won the election, and Washington, under pressure from Spellman, agreed to repay the Vatican's election expenditures through Italy's black currency market.

High-ranking Knights of Malta were involved in Italian politics during the following decades, and on two occasions, in 1964 and 1970, they attempted unsuccessful right-wing coups. The second attempt was led by Angleton's Prince Borghese and the prince's neo-Nazi protege, Stefano Delle Chiaie, one of the period's most dangerous terrorists. Borghese and Delle Chiaie were connected to the notorious P-2 Masonic Lodge, an organization with ties to the Mafia and the Vatican that schemed to take over the Italian state and was responsible for a string of terrorist acts.

hornet ha scritto:
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noreprez ha scritto:
questo tra l'altro è uno dei simboli dei cavaglieri di colombo.



...intenti senza dubbio satanici...

In effetti assomiglia un po' a questi no ???



Order of Knights Templars of St. Anthony

o a questo:



Order Of Malta

oppure

noreprez ha scritto:
vorrei solo ricordare che il sovrano militare dell'ordine di malta è un ente di diritto internazionale che trae le sue origini dagli ospedalieri di gerusalemme (in seguito di malta).