da Redazione su 17/7/2006 23:27:12
Ciao BELIEVE: Se permetti, ti offro questa mia umile spiegazione, dalle mie pagine sulla Luna
http://luogocomune.net/site/modules/sections/index.php?op=viewarticle&artid=19
che evidentemente non hai mai letto.
I vetri sono pieni di unghiate!
hi-speed ha scritto:
Citazione:Ma di che "bufale" stai parlando??? "Sorvoli"(ma che termine è?) di marte??? di venere?
E lo chiedi a me?
Sarò buono (lo sono) e ti faccio un
regalo
Così, in caso di ricerca, le hai tutte in ordine.
Ciao Hi-speed
hi-speed ha scritto:
...mazza, erano agli albori dell'espolrazione spaziale e questi pensano già di lanciare sonde su Marte, Luna e Venere?
Dai non è una bufala ma uno scherzo.
Questa si che è roba da fumetti.
Hi-speed
PS: ripassati la storia
Article
America's Moon Expedition a Fake?
Even people ignorant of space technologies understand that then-level of technological and electronic development wouldn't allow to perform complicated space maneuvers
Forty years ago, American President John Kennedy urged the people to get united about the Moon landing idea: the USA wanted to win the space competition of the 1960s at any price to maintain the image of a superpower. This was a dispute on superiority of two social systems: the flourishing (as it seemed at that time) socialism and the "decaying" capitalism. The USSR experienced problems of its post-war period, what is more, the Soviet country had to suffer great spending in the arms race in order to be ready for a probable war against any of the former allies from the anti-Hitler coalition. Nevertheless, the USSR always managed to be ahead of rich America. It was the Soviet Union that first sent an artificial Earth satellite which meant undoubted advantage of the Soviet missile production. Already at that time it was clear that level of missile technologies would become the criterion of military superiority in the nearest future.
American felt very much nervous: they needed to save the prestige of the country. Right at that very time John Kennedy addressed the Congress and asked for $40 billion for realization of a Moon shuttle program. The sum was incredible for that time. The whole of the world heard sensational news on July 20, 1969: Americans flew to the Moon, walked around the unexplored planet, raised the American flag there and got back home with samples of the Moon soil. People of the Earth studied pictures with the exotic Moon landscape and watched documentary TV reports of the exciting adventure.
However, strange things showed up as soon as the first excitement caused by the flight to the Moon weakened. When researchers looked at pictures and filmed materials about the Mood expedition, they discovered some things that looked very strange. Some of the pictures revealed unnatural shades and sometimes even disagreed with the fundamental physics laws. American engineer Ralph Rene was the first who notices these faults: he declared that there was no Moon landing at all and that all pictures and films about the flight to the unexplored planet were a fake. He said that photos of that kind could be made in special pavilions on the Earth. British researchers even said that such films could be fabricated in Hollywood. What is interesting, only several tens of pictures about the Moon flight out of the total number of 13,000 pics held by the NASA were published in fact. Scientists and engineers studied all information concerning America's Moon flight more carefully and passed a severe verdict: flight of American astronauts to the Moon is just a carefully considered leg-pull.
Even people ignorant of space technologies understand that then-level of technological and electronic development wouldn't allow to perform complicated space maneuvers connected with docking and undocking of the Apollo carrier rocket that was separated from the module with people inside it. What is more, return back of the carrier rocket was also quite a problem. The Apollo onboard computers performed even poorer than present-day calculators.
The possibility of human survival in open space was also called into question. Did a space suit made of rubber and cloth in the 1960s protect people on the Moon, the planet having no atmospheric layers and magnetic fields? Could it protect from high radiation? The temperature of 250 Fahrenheit degrees below zero would immediately kill humans in such suits. But it was reported that none of the astronauts was even affected with radiation sickness.
Former NASA staffer Bill Kaysing, the author of the book "NASA Never Landed a Man on the Moon", confessed that even the Agency itself considered the possibility of man's landing on the Moon was 0.0017% at that period (which was practically nothing!).
It is not ruled out that Americans did fly to the Moon, but didn't advance further than its orbit. Robots did the rest of the work. However, it is also unlikely that 382 kilograms of Moon soil could be delivered to the Earth after three expeditions (Soviet Moon research vehicles brought just 0.3 kg), because additional kilograms of burden are risky for a rocket. The rest of the Moon expedition simulation was just a political trick, shooting made in pavilions that at the same time allowed the USA to spare billions of dollars. This version resembles the movie Capricorn-1. Probably, the movie was made with a view to rehabilitate America for its big lies.
When the Apollo-Moon module system was studied more carefully, it became clear that two astronauts in space suits couldn't find room in the module, not to mention the Moon robot that couldn't be placed there even non-assembled. What is more, astronauts couldn't squeeze through a narrow tunnel between the space ship and the module. In fact, an exit hatch opens inward, not outside as the legendary documentary demonstrates. The documentary was probably shot in a cargo bay of a swooping supersonic airplane to create an effect of weightlessness. It is strange but not a single star could be seen on the pictures of the Moon flight. Stars are even brighter in space than as seen from the Earth. Instead, there was blue light streaming into the illuminators of the space ship, at the time when it is known that open space is absolutely black.
Apollo landing was also strange: running of the engine didn't move a single stone or a speck of dust on the Moon surface. After that, the module settled on a flat surface. Pressure of a jet engine would inevitably make a crater on the place of landing while braking. As is know, the Moon gravitation makes up 1/6 of the Earth gravitation. A cloud of dust thrown from under the Apollo wheels should have been six times higher than depicted on the photos.
As for the shadows that astronauts and their apparatuses cast on the Moon, they were of different length and direction, at the time when it is known that the Sun is the only source of light on the Moon. It may also seem strange that not a single picture of the Earth as seen from the Moon was made during the expedition. Movements of the astronauts looked as if the film was slowly played. It was obvious that jumping and moving was very difficult for the astronauts, but the jumping amplitude was very small. Even school children know that a man weighing 160 kilograms on the Earth would weight only 27 kg on the Moon, which would made him jump like a grasshopper.
Raising of the American flag also revealed several faults. There is no atmosphere on the Moon, it consequently means that there can be no wind. As it was said, a flagpole had a horizontal slat on the top so that it could be possible to unfurl the flag wide. It looked rather strange that a corner of the flag fluttered and one of the astronauts even had to pull it down. Probably, some stupid worker in a film pavilion, where the documentary was shot, opened the door and let the wind inside. In a word, there were lots of strange things connected with the Mood landing expedition that produced such a sensation all over the world.
Future life of the astronauts was also a mystery. Within a year since the sensational expedition, 11 people connected with the Apollo program died. 7 people died in car accidents and 3 burnt down in test capsules although they were high-class pilots. Is it possible that the people were liquidated because they wouldn't keep the secret about the fake Moon expedition?
As the Northrop Grumman corporation, the one that developed and constructed the Moon robot, told an American magazine that all negatives and records concerning the event were liquidated. It is rather strange, because we know that America treats its achievements and the history with trepidation.
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ivan ha scritto:
http://english.pravda.ru/science/19/94/377/9994_moon.html
Citazione:
Article
America's Moon Expedition a Fake?
Even people ignorant of space technologies understand that then-level of technological and electronic development wouldn't allow to perform complicated space maneuvers
Forty years ago, American President John Kennedy urged the people to get united about the Moon landing idea: the USA wanted to win the space competition of the 1960s at any price to maintain the image of a superpower. This was a dispute on superiority of two social systems: the flourishing (as it seemed at that time) socialism and the "decaying" capitalism. The USSR experienced problems of its post-war period, what is more, the Soviet country had to suffer great spending in the arms race in order to be ready for a probable war against any of the former allies from the anti-Hitler coalition. Nevertheless, the USSR always managed to be ahead of rich America. It was the Soviet Union that first sent an artificial Earth satellite which meant undoubted advantage of the Soviet missile production. Already at that time it was clear that level of missile technologies would become the criterion of military superiority in the nearest future.
American felt very much nervous: they needed to save the prestige of the country. Right at that very time John Kennedy addressed the Congress and asked for $40 billion for realization of a Moon shuttle program. The sum was incredible for that time. The whole of the world heard sensational news on July 20, 1969: Americans flew to the Moon, walked around the unexplored planet, raised the American flag there and got back home with samples of the Moon soil. People of the Earth studied pictures with the exotic Moon landscape and watched documentary TV reports of the exciting adventure.
However, strange things showed up as soon as the first excitement caused by the flight to the Moon weakened. When researchers looked at pictures and filmed materials about the Mood expedition, they discovered some things that looked very strange. Some of the pictures revealed unnatural shades and sometimes even disagreed with the fundamental physics laws. American engineer Ralph Rene was the first who notices these faults: he declared that there was no Moon landing at all and that all pictures and films about the flight to the unexplored planet were a fake. He said that photos of that kind could be made in special pavilions on the Earth. British researchers even said that such films could be fabricated in Hollywood. What is interesting, only several tens of pictures about the Moon flight out of the total number of 13,000 pics held by the NASA were published in fact. Scientists and engineers studied all information concerning America's Moon flight more carefully and passed a severe verdict: flight of American astronauts to the Moon is just a carefully considered leg-pull.
Even people ignorant of space technologies understand that then-level of technological and electronic development wouldn't allow to perform complicated space maneuvers connected with docking and undocking of the Apollo carrier rocket that was separated from the module with people inside it. What is more, return back of the carrier rocket was also quite a problem. The Apollo onboard computers performed even poorer than present-day calculators.
The possibility of human survival in open space was also called into question. Did a space suit made of rubber and cloth in the 1960s protect people on the Moon, the planet having no atmospheric layers and magnetic fields? Could it protect from high radiation? The temperature of 250 Fahrenheit degrees below zero would immediately kill humans in such suits. But it was reported that none of the astronauts was even affected with radiation sickness.
Former NASA staffer Bill Kaysing, the author of the book "NASA Never Landed a Man on the Moon", confessed that even the Agency itself considered the possibility of man's landing on the Moon was 0.0017% at that period (which was practically nothing!).
It is not ruled out that Americans did fly to the Moon, but didn't advance further than its orbit. Robots did the rest of the work. However, it is also unlikely that 382 kilograms of Moon soil could be delivered to the Earth after three expeditions (Soviet Moon research vehicles brought just 0.3 kg), because additional kilograms of burden are risky for a rocket. The rest of the Moon expedition simulation was just a political trick, shooting made in pavilions that at the same time allowed the USA to spare billions of dollars. This version resembles the movie Capricorn-1. Probably, the movie was made with a view to rehabilitate America for its big lies.
When the Apollo-Moon module system was studied more carefully, it became clear that two astronauts in space suits couldn't find room in the module, not to mention the Moon robot that couldn't be placed there even non-assembled. What is more, astronauts couldn't squeeze through a narrow tunnel between the space ship and the module. In fact, an exit hatch opens inward, not outside as the legendary documentary demonstrates. The documentary was probably shot in a cargo bay of a swooping supersonic airplane to create an effect of weightlessness. It is strange but not a single star could be seen on the pictures of the Moon flight. Stars are even brighter in space than as seen from the Earth. Instead, there was blue light streaming into the illuminators of the space ship, at the time when it is known that open space is absolutely black.
Apollo landing was also strange: running of the engine didn't move a single stone or a speck of dust on the Moon surface. After that, the module settled on a flat surface. Pressure of a jet engine would inevitably make a crater on the place of landing while braking. As is know, the Moon gravitation makes up 1/6 of the Earth gravitation. A cloud of dust thrown from under the Apollo wheels should have been six times higher than depicted on the photos.
As for the shadows that astronauts and their apparatuses cast on the Moon, they were of different length and direction, at the time when it is known that the Sun is the only source of light on the Moon. It may also seem strange that not a single picture of the Earth as seen from the Moon was made during the expedition. Movements of the astronauts looked as if the film was slowly played. It was obvious that jumping and moving was very difficult for the astronauts, but the jumping amplitude was very small. Even school children know that a man weighing 160 kilograms on the Earth would weight only 27 kg on the Moon, which would made him jump like a grasshopper.
Raising of the American flag also revealed several faults. There is no atmosphere on the Moon, it consequently means that there can be no wind. As it was said, a flagpole had a horizontal slat on the top so that it could be possible to unfurl the flag wide. It looked rather strange that a corner of the flag fluttered and one of the astronauts even had to pull it down. Probably, some stupid worker in a film pavilion, where the documentary was shot, opened the door and let the wind inside. In a word, there were lots of strange things connected with the Mood landing expedition that produced such a sensation all over the world.
Future life of the astronauts was also a mystery. Within a year since the sensational expedition, 11 people connected with the Apollo program died. 7 people died in car accidents and 3 burnt down in test capsules although they were high-class pilots. Is it possible that the people were liquidated because they wouldn't keep the secret about the fake Moon expedition?
As the Northrop Grumman corporation, the one that developed and constructed the Moon robot, told an American magazine that all negatives and records concerning the event were liquidated. It is rather strange, because we know that America treats its achievements and the history with trepidation.
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ivan ha scritto:
http://english.pravda.ru/science/19/94/377/9994_moon.html
Citazione:
Article
America's Moon Expedition a Fake?
Even people ignorant of space technologies understand that then-level of technological and electronic development wouldn't allow to perform complicated space maneuvers
Forty years ago, American President John Kennedy urged the people to get united about the Moon landing idea: the USA wanted to win the space competition of the 1960s at any price to maintain the image of a superpower. This was a dispute on superiority of two social systems: the flourishing (as it seemed at that time) socialism and the "decaying" capitalism. The USSR experienced problems of its post-war period, what is more, the Soviet country had to suffer great spending in the arms race in order to be ready for a probable war against any of the former allies from the anti-Hitler coalition. Nevertheless, the USSR always managed to be ahead of rich America. It was the Soviet Union that first sent an artificial Earth satellite which meant undoubted advantage of the Soviet missile production. Already at that time it was clear that level of missile technologies would become the criterion of military superiority in the nearest future.
American felt very much nervous: they needed to save the prestige of the country. Right at that very time John Kennedy addressed the Congress and asked for $40 billion for realization of a Moon shuttle program. The sum was incredible for that time. The whole of the world heard sensational news on July 20, 1969: Americans flew to the Moon, walked around the unexplored planet, raised the American flag there and got back home with samples of the Moon soil. People of the Earth studied pictures with the exotic Moon landscape and watched documentary TV reports of the exciting adventure.
However, strange things showed up as soon as the first excitement caused by the flight to the Moon weakened. When researchers looked at pictures and filmed materials about the Mood expedition, they discovered some things that looked very strange. Some of the pictures revealed unnatural shades and sometimes even disagreed with the fundamental physics laws. American engineer Ralph Rene was the first who notices these faults: he declared that there was no Moon landing at all and that all pictures and films about the flight to the unexplored planet were a fake. He said that photos of that kind could be made in special pavilions on the Earth. British researchers even said that such films could be fabricated in Hollywood. What is interesting, only several tens of pictures about the Moon flight out of the total number of 13,000 pics held by the NASA were published in fact. Scientists and engineers studied all information concerning America's Moon flight more carefully and passed a severe verdict: flight of American astronauts to the Moon is just a carefully considered leg-pull.
Even people ignorant of space technologies understand that then-level of technological and electronic development wouldn't allow to perform complicated space maneuvers connected with docking and undocking of the Apollo carrier rocket that was separated from the module with people inside it. What is more, return back of the carrier rocket was also quite a problem. The Apollo onboard computers performed even poorer than present-day calculators.
The possibility of human survival in open space was also called into question. Did a space suit made of rubber and cloth in the 1960s protect people on the Moon, the planet having no atmospheric layers and magnetic fields? Could it protect from high radiation? The temperature of 250 Fahrenheit degrees below zero would immediately kill humans in such suits. But it was reported that none of the astronauts was even affected with radiation sickness.
Former NASA staffer Bill Kaysing, the author of the book "NASA Never Landed a Man on the Moon", confessed that even the Agency itself considered the possibility of man's landing on the Moon was 0.0017% at that period (which was practically nothing!).
It is not ruled out that Americans did fly to the Moon, but didn't advance further than its orbit. Robots did the rest of the work. However, it is also unlikely that 382 kilograms of Moon soil could be delivered to the Earth after three expeditions (Soviet Moon research vehicles brought just 0.3 kg), because additional kilograms of burden are risky for a rocket. The rest of the Moon expedition simulation was just a political trick, shooting made in pavilions that at the same time allowed the USA to spare billions of dollars. This version resembles the movie Capricorn-1. Probably, the movie was made with a view to rehabilitate America for its big lies.
When the Apollo-Moon module system was studied more carefully, it became clear that two astronauts in space suits couldn't find room in the module, not to mention the Moon robot that couldn't be placed there even non-assembled. What is more, astronauts couldn't squeeze through a narrow tunnel between the space ship and the module. In fact, an exit hatch opens inward, not outside as the legendary documentary demonstrates. The documentary was probably shot in a cargo bay of a swooping supersonic airplane to create an effect of weightlessness. It is strange but not a single star could be seen on the pictures of the Moon flight. Stars are even brighter in space than as seen from the Earth. Instead, there was blue light streaming into the illuminators of the space ship, at the time when it is known that open space is absolutely black.
Apollo landing was also strange: running of the engine didn't move a single stone or a speck of dust on the Moon surface. After that, the module settled on a flat surface. Pressure of a jet engine would inevitably make a crater on the place of landing while braking. As is know, the Moon gravitation makes up 1/6 of the Earth gravitation. A cloud of dust thrown from under the Apollo wheels should have been six times higher than depicted on the photos.
As for the shadows that astronauts and their apparatuses cast on the Moon, they were of different length and direction, at the time when it is known that the Sun is the only source of light on the Moon. It may also seem strange that not a single picture of the Earth as seen from the Moon was made during the expedition. Movements of the astronauts looked as if the film was slowly played. It was obvious that jumping and moving was very difficult for the astronauts, but the jumping amplitude was very small. Even school children know that a man weighing 160 kilograms on the Earth would weight only 27 kg on the Moon, which would made him jump like a grasshopper.
Raising of the American flag also revealed several faults. There is no atmosphere on the Moon, it consequently means that there can be no wind. As it was said, a flagpole had a horizontal slat on the top so that it could be possible to unfurl the flag wide. It looked rather strange that a corner of the flag fluttered and one of the astronauts even had to pull it down. Probably, some stupid worker in a film pavilion, where the documentary was shot, opened the door and let the wind inside. In a word, there were lots of strange things connected with the Mood landing expedition that produced such a sensation all over the world.
Future life of the astronauts was also a mystery. Within a year since the sensational expedition, 11 people connected with the Apollo program died. 7 people died in car accidents and 3 burnt down in test capsules although they were high-class pilots. Is it possible that the people were liquidated because they wouldn't keep the secret about the fake Moon expedition?
As the Northrop Grumman corporation, the one that developed and constructed the Moon robot, told an American magazine that all negatives and records concerning the event were liquidated. It is rather strange, because we know that America treats its achievements and the history with trepidation.
Why don't you explain with your words?
Redazione ha scritto:
ICEMAN: Sei fantastico, davvero! Troppo bello. L'ho letto due volte perchè non ci credevo. Guardati la sequenza:
1 - Io ho detto "quella non è la luce del Sole, se non mi credi domanda ad un fotografo professionista."
2 - Tu hai risposto "non ho mai sentito un professionista dire che non siamo andati sulla Luna.
3 - Io ti cito Toscani, e ti offro di verificare personalmente.
4 - E tu mi rispondi "Invece di parlare con Oliviero toscani cerca di usare i tuoi mezzi per metterti in comunicazione con qualcuno(anche Italiano) che lavori in campo astronautico..." ?????
Lo capisci almeno perchè sei grandioso?
Adesso però rimane un problemino da risolvere: QUELLA DELLA FOTO CONTINUA A NON ESSERE LA LUCE DEL SOLE. Io (che sono un misero dilettante, btw) ho il professionista che lo conferma. Tu non hai nessuno che lo smentisca.
Sorry.
Ma se veramente non fossero andati sulla luna... credi che i russi non avrebbero colto l'occasione per "sputtanare" gli americani davanti al mondo?
Cosa rispondere?
Questo è ciò che dice la storia!
(Sempre riferendoci al discorso "i Russi.." ) Se ne può fare discorso per ipotesi, per opinioni, (un "secondo me..." ) ma non si può portare come "prova inconfutabile ed evidente" della autenticità delle missioni lunari ....
franco8 ha scritto:
In più nell'argomento in questione ("i Russi ecc.,.) ci vedo diversi punti deboli:
* - dal punto vista... diciamo "logico"...: se gli Americani non mentivano per timore di esser sputtanati, perché i Russi mentirono e non venirono sputtantati?
Forse qualche approfondimento in più meriterebbe quindi il discorso delle "bugie russe":
Oltre alla storia dei cosmonauti prima di Gagarin (che Iceman bolla a priori come "leggende metropolitane" - proprio perché farebbe saltare la logica del discorso - , ma io lo riterrei, fatto almeno probabile, anche se non storicamente accertato), c'è la storia della "famosa" cagnetta Laika...
[Bugia ovviamente non paragonabile ad un falso sbarco sulla luna, ma che mi pare sufficiente per mettere in dubbio la "logica" del ragionamento che si vuol far passare
- dal punto di vista "storico": è stato detto (non ricordo chi... ma o rigel o iceman che portava avanti questo "argomento"...) qualcosa del tipo: "era una guerra, e in guerra non si raccontano bugie".
Bene! Invece è proprio il contrario: in guerra le bugie sono la regola...
ps. Ma LAIKA che centra????
franco8 ha scritto:
Citazione:
ps. Ma LAIKA che centra????
c'entra sì...
Lo ricordo per gli altri, invero tu dovresti conoscerlo....:
Laika fu mandata in orbita spazio in una navicella spinta da un razzo...
Non era previsto il rientro, era quindi destinata al "sacrificio"... a perdersi nello spazio...
Niente di strano fin qua... Ma il punto è questo: Si venne a sapere molti anni dopo che la cagnetta morì quasi immediatamente al momento del lancio... Mentre la "versione ufficiale russa" non parlò mai di questo...
Però gli Americani (che avrebbero dovuto saperlo, almeno secondo la logica dell'argomento che proponi tu... - l'argomento di cui si discute - ) non "smascherarono" affatto questo insuccesso...
Quindi la logica dello "sputtanamento" a volte vale, altre no... a seconda come gira...
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Gen. Sam Phillips (left), Wernher von Braun, Dr. James Fletcher, and George Low at the Apollo 15 launch. Scan by J.L. Pickering.
Devoted Nazi General Walter Dornberger and German rocket scientist Wernher von Braun were two men with a vision. The drive, energy and resourcefulness of General Dornberger, mated with the ingenuity and passion of von Braun, created one of the greatest technological achievements of this century. The fact that this achievement was the product of the ruthless regime of Nazi Germany, and the fact that many thousands of people died as a result of its production and deployment, taint the image of what otherwise would be considered a monumental triumph.
Many people now believe von Braun was guilty by association and contributed to the great suffering of slave laborers working at Peenemünde and the Mittelwerk. Sometimes praised as heroes in the United States, von Braun and Dornberger are increasingly reviled on the European continent. Political aspects aside, the fact remains that these men were shaping the ground rules for warfare in the later years of the twentieth century.
Iceman ha scritto:
Von Braun ebbe la fortuna, a differenza di altri "colleghi" ricercatori missilistici americani, di lavorare in un paese che aveva interesse nello sviluppo dei razzi.
Finita la guerra mise a disposizione i suoi studi e le sue conoscenze per l esercito americano e realizzo, per gli USA altri missili belici V-2.
Il suo sogno rimaneva sempre però la conquista dello spazio, che non era una priorità della politica USA, per cui provò con pubblicazioni su giornali, libri(anche romanzi) e collaborazioni con film della Disney a "sensibilizzare gli americani in tal senso.
Ci riuscì anche, diventando uno scrittore di rilievo ma solo il Bip Bip dello Sputnik svegliò l interesse nel governo americano.
Dopo il cocente fallimento del lancio del Vanguard Von Braun ne approfitto e nel grio di poco tempo mise in orbita il primo setallite americano(explorer I) con il vettore da lui progettato (Juno).
Da qui in poi per Von Braun sarà un continuo successo che lo vedrà diventare una specie di eroe nazionale con il primo allunaggio.
Tanta notorietà si rivelerà però un boomerang per la sua vita, infatti, soll anda della notorietà si comincierà a scavare nel suo passato di collaboratore Nazista.
Queste accuse lo portarono ad essere allontato(o allontanarsi) dal progetto apollo che aveva reso possibile con il suo fantastico SATURNO.
Terminerà la sua vita poco dopo, lontano dai riflettori e con l ombra delle infamanti accuse riguardanti il suo passato sulle sue glorie.
anche il più pirla del pianeta ti sgamerebbe già subito al SECONDO FILM!!
Questi deficienti di russi avevano la possibilità di fare i film per PRIMI e non l'hanno fatto. Ma si può essere più fessi??
Peccato invece che TUTTI i radiotelescopi del mondo erano puntati ECCOME contro la luna
Come ho detto: i Russi non denunciarono una missione inesistente e inconcludente come un successo, queste sono le "piccolezze" di cui parlavo...
franco8 ha scritto:
Citazione:Come ho detto: i Russi non denunciarono una missione inesistente e inconcludente come un successo, queste sono le "piccolezze" di cui parlavo...
Iceman, non è questo il punto.
Il punto è che gli Americani non smascherano la bugia dei Russi.
Non si capisce perché quello che vale per gli uni non debba valere per gli altri...
hi-speed ha scritto:
Citazione:Questi deficienti di russi avevano la possibilità di fare i film per PRIMI e non l'hanno fatto. Ma si può essere più fessi??
o erano più furbi, non avevano i mezzi per farli (Breznev!!) o non avevano le spalle coperte da "illuminati" personaggi
Quale mondo? Volevi dire quello filo-NATO e quello filo-sovietico, perchè non penso che in Ruanda avessero dei radiotelescopi (forse neanche un telescopio).
Se qualche filo-buontempone avesse messo in discussione le missioni, il radiotelescopio se lo ritrovava infilato nel ...
franco8 ha scritto:
Non dimentichiamo, comunque che nessuno ha detto o stabilito che bisogna considerare le missioni "in blocco" (o tutte o nessuna)...
1. i Russi l'avrebbero scoperto? Con che grado di certezza? (Possiamo noi dirci certi che l'avrebbero scoperto?)
. che interesse avevano i Russi (e quali vantaggi avrebbero ottenuto) dallo "smaschermento"?
3. Quali prove (o che tipo di prove) avrebbero potuto mostrare (e a chi?) per dimostrare la "bufala"? (Che cosa avrebbero mostrato? le foto della luna SENZA il lem e gli astronauti?!)
4. Le "prove" sarebbero state prese in considerazione dall'opinione pubblica "occidentale"
Come vedete, se è chiaro non lo so... in quel "i russi li avrebbero sputtanati" c'è una certa catena di presupposti, che sono alquanto discutibili, molto opinabili...
Ciò dimostra che non sono andati sulla luna? Ovvio che no.
Ma non dimostra che ci sono andati. Ripeto: l'argomento non si può portare come "prova" della autenticità delle missioni lunari ....
Per esempio chi???? KUBRICK??????
I Sovietici erano la prima potenza mondiale in un sacco di settori economici e militari e NON AVEVANO MEZZI PER COSA
Sai... esistono paesi che NON sono proprio il Ruanda. Esiste l Inghilterra,la Francia,la Germania,L Italia,ecc
Per cui, ricapitolando, TUTTO il MONDO avrebbe saputo la verità
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