Polizia appoggiano dimostranti.
Inviato da DjGiostra il 24/5/2012 17:10:05
Ragazzi il mio tedesco fa schifo ma da questo video dicono
che la polizia appoggia i manifestanti..
PER FAVORE... DITEMI CHE HO CAPITO BENE !!!!
Ciao a tutti.
Damiano.
che la polizia appoggia i manifestanti..
PER FAVORE... DITEMI CHE HO CAPITO BENE !!!!
Ciao a tutti.
Damiano.
Re: Polizia appoggiano dimostranti.
Inviato da captcha il 24/5/2012 17:18:36
“Polizia appoggiano dimostranti.”
Citazione:
L’italiano, invece...
Citazione:
Ragazzi il mio tedesco fa schifo...
L’italiano, invece...
Re: Polizia appoggiano dimostranti.
Inviato da gronda85 il 25/5/2012 0:00:18
Re: Polizia appoggiano dimostranti.
Inviato da RedPill il 25/5/2012 8:45:03
@ captcha
ok l'errore grammaticale...
... ma credo che la notizia meriti di essere commentata.
I poliziotti non solamente hanno marciato insieme ai manifestanti ma soprattutto hanno fatto un gesto molto bello:
Tutti i membri dello schieramento (in assetto antisommossa) ad un certo punto si sono portati in testa al corteo e si sono tolti l'elmetto, aprendo la strada ai manifestanti.
Anche se potrebbe non portare a nulla, è un gesto che, come membro civile di questa società, onestamente mi ha commosso.
Passare dalle cariche su commissione all'appoggio spontaneo è un bel salto.
Significa che la coscienza sociale e morale prevale sull'ordine costituito.
E credo che, da tempo, molti dei poliziotti ventenni costretti a reprimere i manifestanti, in realtà avrebbero voluto essere con loro.
Peace
RedPill
ok l'errore grammaticale...
... ma credo che la notizia meriti di essere commentata.
I poliziotti non solamente hanno marciato insieme ai manifestanti ma soprattutto hanno fatto un gesto molto bello:
Tutti i membri dello schieramento (in assetto antisommossa) ad un certo punto si sono portati in testa al corteo e si sono tolti l'elmetto, aprendo la strada ai manifestanti.
Anche se potrebbe non portare a nulla, è un gesto che, come membro civile di questa società, onestamente mi ha commosso.
Passare dalle cariche su commissione all'appoggio spontaneo è un bel salto.
Significa che la coscienza sociale e morale prevale sull'ordine costituito.
E credo che, da tempo, molti dei poliziotti ventenni costretti a reprimere i manifestanti, in realtà avrebbero voluto essere con loro.
Peace
RedPill
Re: Polizia appoggiano dimostranti.
Inviato da DjGiostra il 25/5/2012 8:57:09
A ma allora ho capito giusto...
A mio avviso questa e' una notiziona perche' a oggi le elite usano
le forze dell'ordine per reprimere le rivolte ma se queste cominciano
a ribellarsi potrebbe essere un vero punto di svolta...
Speriamo bene !!!
@RedPill:
Citazione:
A me oltre che avermi commosso mi ha anche dato un filo di speranza
anche perche:
Citazione:
e avendo avuto un esempio magari cominciano a ribellarsi..
(PS: Capcha lascialo perdere che tanto non fa un commento solo utile
alle discussioni.. un peso morto per LC !!)
A mio avviso questa e' una notiziona perche' a oggi le elite usano
le forze dell'ordine per reprimere le rivolte ma se queste cominciano
a ribellarsi potrebbe essere un vero punto di svolta...
Speriamo bene !!!
@RedPill:
Citazione:
Anche se potrebbe non portare a nulla, è un gesto che, come membro civile di questa società, onestamente mi ha commosso.
A me oltre che avermi commosso mi ha anche dato un filo di speranza
anche perche:
Citazione:
E credo che, da tempo, molti dei poliziotti ventenni costretti a reprimere i manifestanti, in realtà avrebbero voluto essere con loro.
e avendo avuto un esempio magari cominciano a ribellarsi..
(PS: Capcha lascialo perdere che tanto non fa un commento solo utile
alle discussioni.. un peso morto per LC !!)
Re: Polizia appoggiano dimostranti.
Inviato da Spiderman il 25/5/2012 9:41:40
"...e se si girano gli eserciti, e spariscono gli eroi, se la guerra poi adesso cominciamo a farla noi, non sorridete, gli spari sopra, sono per voi..."
Bella segnalazione, Dj!
Bella segnalazione, Dj!
Re: Polizia appoggiano dimostranti.
Inviato da Paxtibi il 25/5/2012 9:49:24
Soooo, after seeing this photo posted all over FB yesterday (as of right now, it's been shared over 19,000x), I think it's really important to clarify what it means.
If you're wondering why the supposed mass exodus of police in Frankfurt "taking off their helmets and joining the protest" isn't making the news at all, you're not alone. After seeing the photo circulating, and admittedly being a bit touched at the possibility that it was true, I did some *very* minimal digging and found just the opposite.
Throughout Blockupy Frankfurt, some riot cops have been allowed to take off their helmets, for example when they are escorting protestors through the streets, as bike cops do here in Canada (they either wear bike helmets, or baseball caps). But this doesn't mean they've "taken off their badges" and "joined the protest" as a caption on a picture circulating around FB seems to suggest. If you google around and look for photos of BF, you will see almost every news story seems to have a photo of riot cops doing their job with their helmets off (but still fully armed and ready to react at a moment's notice). Here's one:
http://www.cbc.ca/news/business/story/2012/05/17/blockupy-frankfurt.html
After seeing that, I decided to dig around some more, starting with the photo post itself. Occupy Canada (which has often spread a "pro-police" message) posted a series of links to news stories which supposedly "confirm" and "verify" (their words) the content of the photo. Yes, the photo is used in the stories, but the caption merely states that cops are "escorting" protestors (as cops often do), and the news stories don't mention police joining in AT ALL. In fact, each story has a quote like this:
"Police on Friday temporarily detained some 400 demonstrators during unauthorized Blockupy protests by thousands of activists after they erected barricades and staged sit-ins.
Some 5,000 police officers are assigned to keep the weekend protests in check."
Does that sound like "joining in the protest" to you?
I dug a bit further into the photo comment thread. Many commenters from Germany have tried to clarify the situation, but their comments have been buried by comments from North American folks saying "Golly, isn't this great!". Here's a typical comment:
"- i am from berlin and took part in the blockupy protests in frankfurt. theses police guys were allowed to take off their helmets by their officer, others weren't. they didn't join the protest, neither did they clear the road for us. what you see here is a very typical strategy of german riot police: they took care that we stayed with the registered route and don't camp, if we had tried to break out to go another way they would have used their power for it. don't underestimate the brainwash that is done to these people. - though, in many faces of these mostly young police men and police women you could read how uncomfortable and wrong they felt. still many of them would just follow their order, not realizing that they don't have to follow the orders if it is against human rights, the law or their own dignity."
So, with that presented, decide for yourself. I call bullshit.
Did Occupy Canada spread misinformation intentionally? I don't know. However, if they had read the articles that supposedly "confirm and verify" the account in their caption, they would find zero evidence to support their claim. The original poster (someone named Derek) did use the photo as an opportunity to plug his youtube channel though. Did he contact AP Photographer Michael Probst to ask him? That would be one good way of getting some more info.
As a photographer, I firmly believe that photos don't lie (but the caption I added is eye catching, right? exactly...). Still, context (and captions) can be infinitely manipulated for all kinds of fucked up reasons, in all kinds of fucked up ways.
Finding out more information to decipher the meaning of the photo honestly took me about 5 minutes. Yes, this is significantly longer than it takes to click "share," and writing this post has taken even longer than that. But I'm obsessed with media literacy, and I'm seeing way too many smart people spreading misinformation to just be silent.
PLEASE do some digging before sharing misleading photos. Use yr critical thinking skills and ALWAYS be critical of the media, especially when that media is facebook. If you see a photo whose meaning is ambiguous or can be manipulated, ask a few questions and look around for more information. It takes a bit longer, but at least you're not participating in a lie.
[dedicating this to the 400 folks mass arrested by the German Polizei just a few days ago in frankfurt.]
If you're wondering why the supposed mass exodus of police in Frankfurt "taking off their helmets and joining the protest" isn't making the news at all, you're not alone. After seeing the photo circulating, and admittedly being a bit touched at the possibility that it was true, I did some *very* minimal digging and found just the opposite.
Throughout Blockupy Frankfurt, some riot cops have been allowed to take off their helmets, for example when they are escorting protestors through the streets, as bike cops do here in Canada (they either wear bike helmets, or baseball caps). But this doesn't mean they've "taken off their badges" and "joined the protest" as a caption on a picture circulating around FB seems to suggest. If you google around and look for photos of BF, you will see almost every news story seems to have a photo of riot cops doing their job with their helmets off (but still fully armed and ready to react at a moment's notice). Here's one:
http://www.cbc.ca/news/business/story/2012/05/17/blockupy-frankfurt.html
After seeing that, I decided to dig around some more, starting with the photo post itself. Occupy Canada (which has often spread a "pro-police" message) posted a series of links to news stories which supposedly "confirm" and "verify" (their words) the content of the photo. Yes, the photo is used in the stories, but the caption merely states that cops are "escorting" protestors (as cops often do), and the news stories don't mention police joining in AT ALL. In fact, each story has a quote like this:
"Police on Friday temporarily detained some 400 demonstrators during unauthorized Blockupy protests by thousands of activists after they erected barricades and staged sit-ins.
Some 5,000 police officers are assigned to keep the weekend protests in check."
Does that sound like "joining in the protest" to you?
I dug a bit further into the photo comment thread. Many commenters from Germany have tried to clarify the situation, but their comments have been buried by comments from North American folks saying "Golly, isn't this great!". Here's a typical comment:
"- i am from berlin and took part in the blockupy protests in frankfurt. theses police guys were allowed to take off their helmets by their officer, others weren't. they didn't join the protest, neither did they clear the road for us. what you see here is a very typical strategy of german riot police: they took care that we stayed with the registered route and don't camp, if we had tried to break out to go another way they would have used their power for it. don't underestimate the brainwash that is done to these people. - though, in many faces of these mostly young police men and police women you could read how uncomfortable and wrong they felt. still many of them would just follow their order, not realizing that they don't have to follow the orders if it is against human rights, the law or their own dignity."
So, with that presented, decide for yourself. I call bullshit.
Did Occupy Canada spread misinformation intentionally? I don't know. However, if they had read the articles that supposedly "confirm and verify" the account in their caption, they would find zero evidence to support their claim. The original poster (someone named Derek) did use the photo as an opportunity to plug his youtube channel though. Did he contact AP Photographer Michael Probst to ask him? That would be one good way of getting some more info.
As a photographer, I firmly believe that photos don't lie (but the caption I added is eye catching, right? exactly...). Still, context (and captions) can be infinitely manipulated for all kinds of fucked up reasons, in all kinds of fucked up ways.
Finding out more information to decipher the meaning of the photo honestly took me about 5 minutes. Yes, this is significantly longer than it takes to click "share," and writing this post has taken even longer than that. But I'm obsessed with media literacy, and I'm seeing way too many smart people spreading misinformation to just be silent.
PLEASE do some digging before sharing misleading photos. Use yr critical thinking skills and ALWAYS be critical of the media, especially when that media is facebook. If you see a photo whose meaning is ambiguous or can be manipulated, ask a few questions and look around for more information. It takes a bit longer, but at least you're not participating in a lie.
[dedicating this to the 400 folks mass arrested by the German Polizei just a few days ago in frankfurt.]
Re: Polizia appoggiano dimostranti.
Inviato da RedPill il 25/5/2012 10:41:59
Citazione:
Ottimo lavoro Paxtibi.
Onestamente non ho avuto tempo di fare una ricerca approfondita (e un po' di pigrizia ha contribuito).
Comunque anche alla luce di questo, 2 frasi del mio post sono ancora valide:
"Anche se potrebbe non portare a nulla, è un gesto che, come membro civile di questa società, onestamente mi ha commosso."
e
"E credo che, da tempo, molti dei poliziotti ventenni costretti a reprimere i manifestanti, in realtà avrebbero voluto essere con loro."
Che sia stato un "ordine" o una "concessione", comunque quei ragazzi si sono sentiti di potersi togliere il casco.
Significa che hanno percepito la vicinanza di intenti, la non violenza della manifestazione, la pacifica dimostrazione di civiltà.
Se il clima fosse stato di odio, se avessero percepito l'ostilità dei manifestanti o se fossero stati loro stessi ostili nei confronti dei manifestanti, gli elmetti non se li sarebbero mai tolti.
Peace
RedPill
Paxtibi ha scritto:
PLEASE do some digging before sharing misleading photos. Use yr critical thinking skills and ALWAYS be critical of the media, especially when that media is facebook. If you see a photo whose meaning is ambiguous or can be manipulated, ask a few questions and look around for more information. It takes a bit longer, but at least you're not participating in a lie.
[dedicating this to the 400 folks mass arrested by the German Polizei just a few days ago in frankfurt.]
[/i]
Ottimo lavoro Paxtibi.
Onestamente non ho avuto tempo di fare una ricerca approfondita (e un po' di pigrizia ha contribuito).
Comunque anche alla luce di questo, 2 frasi del mio post sono ancora valide:
"Anche se potrebbe non portare a nulla, è un gesto che, come membro civile di questa società, onestamente mi ha commosso."
e
"E credo che, da tempo, molti dei poliziotti ventenni costretti a reprimere i manifestanti, in realtà avrebbero voluto essere con loro."
Che sia stato un "ordine" o una "concessione", comunque quei ragazzi si sono sentiti di potersi togliere il casco.
Significa che hanno percepito la vicinanza di intenti, la non violenza della manifestazione, la pacifica dimostrazione di civiltà.
Se il clima fosse stato di odio, se avessero percepito l'ostilità dei manifestanti o se fossero stati loro stessi ostili nei confronti dei manifestanti, gli elmetti non se li sarebbero mai tolti.
Peace
RedPill
Re: Polizia appoggiano dimostranti.
Inviato da Witt83 il 25/5/2012 10:53:12
Re: Polizia appoggiano dimostranti.
Inviato da Paxtibi il 25/5/2012 10:58:09
Altri commenti da facebook:
From the many protest, this was the only one allowed, the others were blocked by the courts,. The water canons, and the Video survalence trucks, can#t be seen in this photo either. Nothing also mention about the hundreds of arrest of activists in the days before the demo.
When I put this up on my wall and asked people about it, I got a response from someone who lives there. The march went right under his window. He said this was a fake.
There are real reasons why something like this would be faked. You just have to try and think like a criminal to figure it out. It was hard for me, but I did it.
I am sorry but this is not true. The policemen are NOT joining the protest but merely escoting the procession with their helmets in hand as they always do.
From the many protest, this was the only one allowed, the others were blocked by the courts,. The water canons, and the Video survalence trucks, can#t be seen in this photo either. Nothing also mention about the hundreds of arrest of activists in the days before the demo.
When I put this up on my wall and asked people about it, I got a response from someone who lives there. The march went right under his window. He said this was a fake.
There are real reasons why something like this would be faked. You just have to try and think like a criminal to figure it out. It was hard for me, but I did it.
I am sorry but this is not true. The policemen are NOT joining the protest but merely escoting the procession with their helmets in hand as they always do.
Re: Polizia appoggiano dimostranti.
Inviato da DjGiostra il 25/5/2012 11:50:57
Grazie a voi per avermi chiarito il dubbio !!
Paxtibi:
Una cortesia, per chi come me in inglese non e' molto afferrato,
in linea di molto massima, cosa dicono i commenti ?
Paxtibi:
Una cortesia, per chi come me in inglese non e' molto afferrato,
in linea di molto massima, cosa dicono i commenti ?
Re: Polizia appoggiano dimostranti.
Inviato da Paxtibi il 25/5/2012 14:24:23
In poche parole quella foto si riferisce all'unico corteo che è stato autorizzato, e la polizia lo ha scortato con gli elmetti in mano come fanno sempre con i cortei pacifici. La gran parte delle manifestazioni sono state invece represse con i soliti metodi, cariche, cannoni ad acqua ed arresti preventivi.
Re: Polizia appoggiano dimostranti.
Inviato da DjGiostra il 25/5/2012 15:09:17
Ok. Grazie..
Re: Polizia appoggiano dimostranti.
Inviato da captcha il 25/5/2012 18:02:15
Citazione:
Non ci credo. Lo fa apposta.
Una cortesia, per chi come me in inglese non e' molto afferrato,
Non ci credo. Lo fa apposta.
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