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Un capitano svela la strategia della Marina contro i pescatori palestinesi

Nelle acque di Gaza, la sopravvivenza dei palestinesi dipende dalla discrezionalità della Marina israeliana, che arresta i pescatori e cerca di farne delle spie. Un militare di Tel Aviv «rompe il silenzio»

È un'atmosfera davvero insolita per parlare del dramma che i pescatori palestinesi vivono ogni giorno nelle acque davanti alla costa di Gaza. Siamo in un caffè di Tel Aviv, all'angolo tra via Mazarik e Piazza Rabin, e ritmi brasiliani allietano la serata dei tanti che affollano il locale. Eppure l'ha scelto apposta, il capitano della Marina israeliana Ido M., 29 anni, che ci ha chiesto di non rivelare la sua identità perché è ancora un riservista. «Con questa confusione nessuno presterà attenzione alla nostra conversazione, per me sarà più semplice non essere identificato», spiega il capitano guardando negli occhi il rappresentante dell'associazione di soldati e ufficiali israeliani «Breaking the silence» («Rompere il silenzio») che ha organizzato l'intervista. Da tempo Ido M., che fino al dicembre 2007 ha avuto il comando di una motovedetta della classe «Dabur», voleva «rompere il silenzio» sul comportamento delle navi da guerra israeliane contro i pescatori di Gaza. Ma è riuscito a farlo solo dopo aver lasciato la carriera militare. «Continuo ad essere richiamato ogni anno per tre settimane ma nel mare di Gaza non vado più, mi rifiuto di farlo e il comando della Marina mi ha assegnato un incarico a terra, in un ufficio», aggiunge il capitano preparandosi a rispondere alle nostre domande.
Per quanto tempo hai avuto il comando di una delle motovedette israeliane che entrano nelle acque di Gaza.
Per quasi tre anni, prima e dopo il 2005, ma avevo partecipato a missioni in quella zona durante la formazione all'accademia navale.

Perché fai riferimento al 2005, l'anno del ritiro di coloni e soldati israeliani da Gaza?

Il comportamento e le regole di ingaggio della Marina sono cambiate dopo il ritiro, nel 2005. Prima, le violazioni (israeliane, ndr) delle acque territoriali di Gaza erano occasionali perché i pescatori palestinesi avevano la possibilità di spingersi al largo per una dozzina di miglia e gettare le reti in acque pescose. Dopo il 2005 la Marina, per ordine del governo, ha cominciato a restringere il limite di pesca portandolo a una misura minima dopo il giugno 2007, quando Hamas ha preso il potere a Gaza. Allo stesso tempo le regole di ingaggio si sono allentate, nel senso che se nel 2002 ogni intervento contro i pescatori doveva essere coordinato in ogni momento con il comando centrale, dopo il 2005 e soprattutto il 2007, ai comandanti delle unità «Dabur» è stata lasciata ampia libertà. Inoltre, se in passato ad ogni operazione (contro i pescatori, ndr) seguiva un'analisi dettagliata dell'accaduto una volta rientrati alla base, oggi questo non accade quasi più.

Quali sono le regole?

La principale riguarda lo spazio entro il quale restringere la possibilità di pesca per i palestinesi di Gaza. Attualmente credo che un peschereccio palestinese non possa andare oltre le tre miglia dalla costa ma, in ogni caso, questo conta fino ad un certo punto. Quando andiamo in mare ci vengono comunicati gli ordini e quel limite varia per decisione delle autorità politiche.Spesso viene ulteriormente ridotto. Noi dobbiamo farlo rispettare. L'azione delle nostre unità diventa più intensa e repressiva in due corridoi, larghi 1,5 km, nelle acque palestinesi che determinano il limite orientale e occidentale dello spazio concesso ai pescatori. In questi due corridoi, dove nessuno può entrare e le acque sono tranquille, ovviamente i pesci abbondano, specie nel periodo primaverile. I pescatori quindi tentano di penetrarvi anche solo per lanciare una rete che torneranno a recuperare piena di pesci in un secondo momento. In quei casi la Marina interviene con durezza arrestando i pescatori, confiscando le imbarcazioni, distruggendo le reti e usando anche le armi.

Ma sono acque palestinesi non israeliane.

Certo, tutto avviene sempre nelle acque di Gaza non in quelle israeliane. Negli anni in cui sono rimasto in servizio attivo in quella zona non c'è stato alcun tentativo palestinese di infiltrazione nelle acque territoriali di Israele e negli ultimi anni la percentuale di azioni armate palestinesi via mare non supera lo 0,1%.
Ufficiali e marinai sanno di aver di fronte pescatori che dal mare traggono il sostentamento.
Naturalmente, lo sanno tutti.

Ne discutevate al ritorno alla base?

Pochissimo, quasi niente. Quando si è parte del sistema, raramente si mettono in discussione certe politiche. Ufficiali e marinai inoltre vogliono portare a casa risultati, far vedere ai superiori che la Marina sta facendo la sua parte, sta dando il suo contributo alla «lotta al terrorismo», come l'Esercito e l'Aviazione. Anche se i risultati sono l'arresto di qualche povero pescatore e il sequestro di qualche imbarcazione.

Parliamo degli arresti in mare. Come e per quale motivo avvengono.

Anche in questo caso le regole valgono fino a un certo punto. A volte quando fermiamo i pescatori in mare e controlliamo i loro documenti, dal comando ci viene detto di arrestarne uno o due, senza una motivazione precisa. Li portiamo alla base di Ashdod dove vengono presi in consegna dagli uomini dello Shin Bet (il servizio di sicurezza) che ha il compito di interrogarli ma anche di reclutare collaborazionisti.
Voi ne siete informati?

Il nostro compito termina nel momento in cui gli arrestati mettono piede a terra ma, naturalmente, sappiamo che lo Shin Bet cerca di avere informazioni su quel che accade a Gaza, specie da quando c'è Hamas al potere, e che prova a trasformare gli arrestati in spie, minacciandoli di tenerli in carcere per anni o, al contrario, promettendo soldi e permessi speciali.

Hai mai ordinato ai tuoi uomini di sparare in direzione delle imbarcazioni palestinesi?

Sì, l'ho fatto e in un caso il fuoco delle mitragliatrici ha ferito un pescatore. Il più delle volte non si spara direttamente sui pescherecci ma in mare, sul lato sinistro dell'imbarcazione. In questo modo i proiettili, rimbalzando sull'acqua cadono verso destra con effetti meno letali ma non per questo poco pericolosi. So di diversi pescatori di Gaza feriti dal fuoco delle nostre armi. Una notte i palestinesi erano usciti in mare con un'imbarcazione più grande e alcune piccole barche che poi hanno formato un cerchio. I pescatori avevano anche acceso delle lampade a gasolio per attirare i pesci. Si erano però spinti fino al limite di una fascia proibita di 1,5 km e dal comando, a un certo punto, mi hanno detto di aprire il fuoco e di affondare una delle barche più piccole a scopo punitivo. Dalla mia unità, un marinaio ha lanciato degli avvertimenti in ebraico ai palestinesi, poi la mitragliatrice leggera ha fatto fuoco. Uno dei pescatori è stato colpito alle gambe. Mentre ci allontanavamo abbiamo visto i suoi compagni che cercavano di aiutarlo.

Hai mai disobbedito a un ordine mentre eri nelle acque di Gaza?

Sì, o almeno non l'ho eseguito come avrebbero voluto al comando. Avevamo arrestato dei pescatori. Dal comando mi hanno detto di interrogarli, ma quelli si rifiutavano di rivelarci la loro identità. Da Ashdod hanno insistito per avere quelle informazioni, ho risposto che i palestinesi continuavano a rimanere muti. Quindi mi hanno detto di andare avanti, fino a farli parlare. A quel punto ho capito che mi stavano chiedendo di usare la forza. Ho replicato che non lo avrei fatto. I minuti successivi sono stati davvero difficili. Per uscire da quella situazione ho preso da parte uno dei palestinesi, quello che parlava un po' di ebraico, chiedendogli di dirmi almeno i loro nomi. Quel mio gesto conciliante invece lo ha impaurito, forse ha pensato che lo avrei picchiato, così ha cominciato a piangere nonostante le mie rassicurazioni. Una scena che non dimenticherò mai.

Perché hai deciso di raccontare tutto questo ai giornalisti?

Perché bisogna rompere il silenzio, non si può tacere di fronte a ciò che accade nelle acque di Gaza.

Michele Giorgio
Fonte: www.ilmanifesto.it
Inviato il: 28/1/2010 19:35
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